Continued U.S interfering with foreign airlines
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411A is absolutely spot on. The Bush Admin will tell countries what they want them to do regardless of International Law their internal laws or the democratic wishes of their populations. It has nothing to do with security, terrorism or any political ideal.
The school bully will take everyone else's lunch money, its as simple as that. Nigel Molesworth...trying to make friends with the bully is the standard reaction and always ends in tears.
The school bully will take everyone else's lunch money, its as simple as that. Nigel Molesworth...trying to make friends with the bully is the standard reaction and always ends in tears.
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Nigel M,
This 'queue/or not' lav business will fade away rather quickly, don't let youself (as many others do) get all in a lather, it simlpy will not do anything but fan the fires of discontent.
The USA has taken a rather public pro-active stance about worldwide aviation/airline terrorism, and it seems to have a few noses out of joint.
It comes, sad to say, with the territory of being the worlds policeman....something Europe (except Blair/UK) have been unable to understand.
Even Europe (except the UK and a very few others, Spain for example) seem unable to keep the plot, the others will need to just 'go with the flow', or follow along waaaay behind.
This 'queue/or not' lav business will fade away rather quickly, don't let youself (as many others do) get all in a lather, it simlpy will not do anything but fan the fires of discontent.
The USA has taken a rather public pro-active stance about worldwide aviation/airline terrorism, and it seems to have a few noses out of joint.
It comes, sad to say, with the territory of being the worlds policeman....something Europe (except Blair/UK) have been unable to understand.
Even Europe (except the UK and a very few others, Spain for example) seem unable to keep the plot, the others will need to just 'go with the flow', or follow along waaaay behind.
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Can one of our US friends tell us whether Tom Ridge is more a politician or a security guy? e.g. Was he doing his current job under the previous administration, or is he part of the republican machine?
Not trying to fish for an argument per se, just trying to get a handle on the players here.
Not trying to fish for an argument per se, just trying to get a handle on the players here.
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Rising to his own level of incompetence.
To Paulo
Tom Ridge was the Governor of the State of Pennsylvania when George Bush tapped him for the head of Homeland Security. He had no previous experience in the position. It has been mostly on-the job training. The functions of Homeland Security increased at a very rapid rate far beyond anyone’s capability to grasp the various areas of responsibility. Add to that mix the fact that the lines of communication between the various departments are yet to be established.
Tom Ridge was the Governor of the State of Pennsylvania when George Bush tapped him for the head of Homeland Security. He had no previous experience in the position. It has been mostly on-the job training. The functions of Homeland Security increased at a very rapid rate far beyond anyone’s capability to grasp the various areas of responsibility. Add to that mix the fact that the lines of communication between the various departments are yet to be established.
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The Lav announcement was made on my flight BOS-CLT/ CLT-LGW, but not on the return from LGW PHL and on to BOS.
What concerns me more is that the ICTS guy at the US Airways check-in asked me the usual security questions and a few more...very thorough, which is good...but he also pointed out that I will need a new passport by October even though it expires in May 2008!!! Now that REALLY p****s me off!
What right have they to insist that a foreign national (who is living in the US) should give up a perfectly valid passport? I'm all for security and all that, but they have my fingerprints and photo graph on their records what more do they need?
What concerns me more is that the ICTS guy at the US Airways check-in asked me the usual security questions and a few more...very thorough, which is good...but he also pointed out that I will need a new passport by October even though it expires in May 2008!!! Now that REALLY p****s me off!
What right have they to insist that a foreign national (who is living in the US) should give up a perfectly valid passport? I'm all for security and all that, but they have my fingerprints and photo graph on their records what more do they need?
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What they need....
They need your DNA, the shape of your iris for the moment.
Next....: may be your religion, which dance you practice, have you been in holiday in Morocco, do you eat French or Freedom fries, which is your favorite position with your(s) partner(s), how long can you stay eyes opened in front of american TV channels, do you laugh or cry when you have to watch Big Brother Dubya....?
Next....: may be your religion, which dance you practice, have you been in holiday in Morocco, do you eat French or Freedom fries, which is your favorite position with your(s) partner(s), how long can you stay eyes opened in front of american TV channels, do you laugh or cry when you have to watch Big Brother Dubya....?
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My understanding of the new rule for British passports is that it simply means that IF you have a passport issued after October 26th it must contain biometric information or else you'll need a visa.
However, if the passport is issued before October 26th it doesn't have to contain biometric information for you to continue using the visa waiver scheme.
The US Embassy website states....
http://www.usembassy.org.uk/ukpa08jan04.html
My understanding of the new rule for British passports is that it simply means that IF you have a passport issued after October 26th it must contain biometric information or else you'll need a visa.
However, if the passport is issued before October 26th it doesn't have to contain biometric information for you to continue using the visa waiver scheme.
The US Embassy website states....
Those travelers who use passports issued after October 26, 2004, that do not contain a biometric identifier, will be required to obtain a U.S. visa. That visa will contain biometric information. Those UK travelers who use machine-readable passports lacking a biometric chip but issued before October 26, 2004 will be able to continue to use the Visa Waiver Program until that passport expires.
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Just pulled this of NBC:
Report: All Air Fliers To Be Assigned Threat Ranking
POSTED: 6:09 AM CST January 12, 2004
UPDATED: 6:38 AM CST January 12, 2004
WASHINGTON -- As early as next month, the government could order airlines and airline ticket bookers to hand over all their passenger records.
The Washington Post reported that the government is moving ahead with plans for background checks, despite a lack of cooperation from airlines.
The computerized system would assign all travelers a number and a color code that ranks their potential threat. A separate program would speed business travelers and other frequent fliers through security lines if they volunteered personal information.
Critics say the system of background checks will create two classes of airline passengers. People who are not U.S. citizens could face additional questioning. But the Transportation Security Administration says even people classified as "trusted travelers" will have to go through security screening at airports.
http://www.nbc5.com/travelgetaways/2757093/detail.html
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Report: All Air Fliers To Be Assigned Threat Ranking
POSTED: 6:09 AM CST January 12, 2004
UPDATED: 6:38 AM CST January 12, 2004
WASHINGTON -- As early as next month, the government could order airlines and airline ticket bookers to hand over all their passenger records.
The Washington Post reported that the government is moving ahead with plans for background checks, despite a lack of cooperation from airlines.
The computerized system would assign all travelers a number and a color code that ranks their potential threat. A separate program would speed business travelers and other frequent fliers through security lines if they volunteered personal information.
Critics say the system of background checks will create two classes of airline passengers. People who are not U.S. citizens could face additional questioning. But the Transportation Security Administration says even people classified as "trusted travelers" will have to go through security screening at airports.
http://www.nbc5.com/travelgetaways/2757093/detail.html
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Stagger, thanks for that! That's what I thought. I tried to explain this to the security guy, explaining that I have a visa..he even handed me the I-94...it certainly threw me for a bit I must admit.
I guess that I can "carry on as normal" then?
I guess that I can "carry on as normal" then?
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As a biochemist who just finished a research contract at a US medical school, I can promise you that your feelings are shared by many
Fellowship holders and other talented staff have been turned away after going home for holidays, visas are taking many months to come through and have been issued with conflicting conditions by USCIS (formerly BCIS, formerly INS - three name changes in as many years, what does that say?).
Now, like the other foreign workers the US depends on, we have to get fingerprinted etc... foreign applications to my place of work are down significantly and probably to others too.
Science is definitely feeling the downturn. I can't believe that other industries aren't as affected. By the way, my car license plate used to say "Live Free or Die". Ironic, isn't it?
Fellowship holders and other talented staff have been turned away after going home for holidays, visas are taking many months to come through and have been issued with conflicting conditions by USCIS (formerly BCIS, formerly INS - three name changes in as many years, what does that say?).
Now, like the other foreign workers the US depends on, we have to get fingerprinted etc... foreign applications to my place of work are down significantly and probably to others too.
Science is definitely feeling the downturn. I can't believe that other industries aren't as affected. By the way, my car license plate used to say "Live Free or Die". Ironic, isn't it?
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I am sure glad that these big developments have given some something to whine about. I just came into LAX tonight and I did not have to do the fingerprinting nor the camera thing as a US citizen. Everybody including crew has to do it once and it is no big deal. The customs lady was very pleasant as was the crew. They may not ahve been happy,but this is the price of freedom as deemed by some.
Perhaps if you don't like camera, you might get sick (as I do) of looking at the idiot terrorists as they were photographed going through BOS, PWM, or wherever they boarded airplanes prior to hijacking when they stole two United and two American Airlines airplanes. Perhaps you didn't know any of the pilots, the crew members, any of the passengers nor anyone who died in NYC or Washington or Pennsylvania. Maybe if you did, you would feel different.
And on the other posting about have to make the announcement about non-congregating in big areas, I did my first one and it was no big deal. It may not do much,but I just did it in the middle of some other public nservice announcements.
Perhaps if you don't like camera, you might get sick (as I do) of looking at the idiot terrorists as they were photographed going through BOS, PWM, or wherever they boarded airplanes prior to hijacking when they stole two United and two American Airlines airplanes. Perhaps you didn't know any of the pilots, the crew members, any of the passengers nor anyone who died in NYC or Washington or Pennsylvania. Maybe if you did, you would feel different.
And on the other posting about have to make the announcement about non-congregating in big areas, I did my first one and it was no big deal. It may not do much,but I just did it in the middle of some other public nservice announcements.
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You misunderstand, I am not proposing anything, thats what UK Legislation says on the subject.
To Grant an exception the the legislation would be changed to empower the CAA or the Sec of State for Transport to issue exceptions as they see fit, thus avoiding the problem of constant change of name as you give in your example. As things are at the moment, I can't find any such power to issue an exception contained in this act.
What you are suggesting things are like at the moment would be like saying a theft is against the law, but if you can get a dispensation from the Goverment to say in your specific case its not.
Its more of a worry to me that a private security company seems to be the ones providing sky marshalls, and if they are to be armed that is a huge step beyond the norm in the UK, where there are still very few Police armed.
You misunderstand, I am not proposing anything, thats what UK Legislation says on the subject.
To Grant an exception the the legislation would be changed to empower the CAA or the Sec of State for Transport to issue exceptions as they see fit, thus avoiding the problem of constant change of name as you give in your example. As things are at the moment, I can't find any such power to issue an exception contained in this act.
What you are suggesting things are like at the moment would be like saying a theft is against the law, but if you can get a dispensation from the Goverment to say in your specific case its not.
Its more of a worry to me that a private security company seems to be the ones providing sky marshalls, and if they are to be armed that is a huge step beyond the norm in the UK, where there are still very few Police armed.
Jim wrote...
A relative of mine was killed in the World Trade Center on Sept 11th. That doesn't make any difference to the fact that I think things like the "no congregation" rule are idiotic and pointless.
Perhaps if you don't like camera, you might get sick (as I do) of looking at the idiot terrorists as they were photographed going through BOS, PWM, or wherever they boarded airplanes prior to hijacking when they stole two United and two American Airlines airplanes. Perhaps you didn't know any of the pilots, the crew members, any of the passengers nor anyone who died in NYC or Washington or Pennsylvania. Maybe if you did, you would feel different.
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I 'm glad Jim....
....made his first announcement (no congregating...) and "it was no big deal".
Did you go in passenger's cabin then Jim?
How many hours of flight endure your passengers without congregating to have a chance to reach toilets on time?
You are entitled to make any announcement approved by FBI, such as:
"It's forbidden to breathe"...
The problem is not to announce any ukase, it's how it's carried out when the loudspeaker has got back to silence.
If everybody is complying with your orders, it's OK, you managed to have the human race climb another step on Darwin's stairs when they are able to control themselves as they never did before!
If your rules are ignored, you are just ridiculous and US Administration too.
Did you go in passenger's cabin then Jim?
How many hours of flight endure your passengers without congregating to have a chance to reach toilets on time?
You are entitled to make any announcement approved by FBI, such as:
"It's forbidden to breathe"...
The problem is not to announce any ukase, it's how it's carried out when the loudspeaker has got back to silence.
If everybody is complying with your orders, it's OK, you managed to have the human race climb another step on Darwin's stairs when they are able to control themselves as they never did before!
If your rules are ignored, you are just ridiculous and US Administration too.
