BA Washington flights and security threats (merged)
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It seems that everything is done by the morons to keep the american citizens in a kind of paranoia about terrorist attacks.
minds in the whitehouse, they should all get lost 
Everything is a terrorist threat, itīs amazing how their secrets services couldnīt stop 9/11. But all of a suddent they are aware of eminent terrorist threats etc...
The right course of action would be has Skylion explained.
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I think we know which side their on Rhoobarb. They look after no.1 and thats it.
Why on earth didn't they allow these people to be intercepted at Heathrow. Is this something to do with the fact that they're scared other countries may not extradite these people to the US if they remove them before the flight. They seem to be applying screwed up security thinking.
The sooner we forget this idea that this country has any kind of special relationship with the US government and start looking after our own the better.
Why on earth didn't they allow these people to be intercepted at Heathrow. Is this something to do with the fact that they're scared other countries may not extradite these people to the US if they remove them before the flight. They seem to be applying screwed up security thinking.
The sooner we forget this idea that this country has any kind of special relationship with the US government and start looking after our own the better.
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>>Just look at their president... And all those minds in the whitehouse, they should all get lost <<
Trust me, you wouldn't like it here, tear up your green card application while you still can.
Trust me, you wouldn't like it here, tear up your green card application while you still can.
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It would seem that there are some here who feel that security precautions are stupid and unnecessary. While it may be that yesterday's BA flight was not handled particularly well by the TSA, the cancelling of a flight entirely implies some direct intelligence of a threat against that specific flight.
However unlikely that threat is, it must be taken seriously. Or would you rather they'd let if go to see if the threat was real?
However unlikely that threat is, it must be taken seriously. Or would you rather they'd let if go to see if the threat was real?
I'm glad you don't live in the states also. A handful of cancelled flights and the system is paralyzed huh. Are you even a pilot? A muppit would be my guess.
Say what you want about Bush, he can pick up the phone and have your PM do exactly as he wants. Kinda nice.
Say what you want about Bush, he can pick up the phone and have your PM do exactly as he wants. Kinda nice.
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It should be clear to all (but apparently is not) that the USA is serious about stamping out terrorism.
Either get on the bandwagon...or don't travel/fly/operate to America...simple as that.
Foreign air carriers have no other choice, like it or not...and many won't.
Too bad.
Either get on the bandwagon...or don't travel/fly/operate to America...simple as that.
Foreign air carriers have no other choice, like it or not...and many won't.
Too bad.
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It would seem that there are some here who feel that security precautions are stupid and unnecessary
Hello,
Im sure that everyone in here doesnīt think that. Itīs just the way they do things...
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Mainfrog,
What makes you think BA had the complete names of pax on the aircraft before it was boarded. Suppose after the plane was in the air 30 min or 60 min the final comparisons come back through the computer (complete with how tickets were purchased etc) and whaddya know, a few names pop up? Should they turn back to London?
What if they came up past the point of No return? You don't have enough info on whether or not it was a cockup...
BTW todays flight was canceled at the request of the BRITISH gov't... You don't suppose that maybe your intellegence services suffer from the same limitations as our per chance?
Also, with flights going on the hour or so, its possible they thought the people in question were going to be on a later or earlier flight and they were rolled over further mucking up the issue.
Cheers
Wino
What makes you think BA had the complete names of pax on the aircraft before it was boarded. Suppose after the plane was in the air 30 min or 60 min the final comparisons come back through the computer (complete with how tickets were purchased etc) and whaddya know, a few names pop up? Should they turn back to London?
What if they came up past the point of No return? You don't have enough info on whether or not it was a cockup...
BTW todays flight was canceled at the request of the BRITISH gov't... You don't suppose that maybe your intellegence services suffer from the same limitations as our per chance?
Also, with flights going on the hour or so, its possible they thought the people in question were going to be on a later or earlier flight and they were rolled over further mucking up the issue.
Cheers
Wino
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So you hear of a credible threat, or you develop an intellegence network and start watching people and listening for bad people, and then a bad name pops up somewhere.... What do you do? Ignore it and hope nothing happens?
You don't like it? Stay home. But as your government is involved intellegence operations do not assume that the only parnoid out there is the USA...
Cheers
WIno
You don't like it? Stay home. But as your government is involved intellegence operations do not assume that the only parnoid out there is the USA...
Cheers
WIno
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Wino I haven't got a clue what your talking about.
"Suppose after the plane was in the air 30 min or 60 min the final comparisons come back through the computer"
Why should it be the case that they can only find full information about a passenger after the flight has taken off.
A credit check is done by computer in a store to make sure your credit worthy, while you wait. How come this isn't possible with data relating to terrorism.
The whole basis of flight screening and intelligence information is obviously just a PR exercise and in no way is going to contribute to flight safety if it can only be used after the flight has departed.
"Suppose after the plane was in the air 30 min or 60 min the final comparisons come back through the computer"
Why should it be the case that they can only find full information about a passenger after the flight has taken off.
A credit check is done by computer in a store to make sure your credit worthy, while you wait. How come this isn't possible with data relating to terrorism.
The whole basis of flight screening and intelligence information is obviously just a PR exercise and in no way is going to contribute to flight safety if it can only be used after the flight has departed.
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Some of you appear to have been a little carried away by your posts on this subject.
Security officials interviewing passengers have absolutely nothing to do with one poster who mentioned a so-called "illegally elected president." Comments like that should belong on another forums and not one linked with the serious business of aviation.
There is also no animosity between the U.S. and British governments, so therefore, you can scratch that as a political motive.
With all the intelligence information flowing in that the bad guys might make a move over the holidays, you can understand that everyone is skittish. It was the Brits who cancelled the next day's flight to IAD.
Wouldn't you rather be on the safe side than on the sorry side?
Security officials interviewing passengers have absolutely nothing to do with one poster who mentioned a so-called "illegally elected president." Comments like that should belong on another forums and not one linked with the serious business of aviation.
There is also no animosity between the U.S. and British governments, so therefore, you can scratch that as a political motive.
With all the intelligence information flowing in that the bad guys might make a move over the holidays, you can understand that everyone is skittish. It was the Brits who cancelled the next day's flight to IAD.
Wouldn't you rather be on the safe side than on the sorry side?
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Without getting into details, changes are being made in how manifests are screened on inbound US flights. The new system probably broke down, resulting in a last-minute warning. Bush's fault, no doubt, but I'm sure perhaps a Brit can make it all better.
Let's keep it that way, shall we?
Glad I dont live in the states!
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I am surprised you Sepos can even find the United Kingdom on the map!
..as for paralysing the aviation transport industry you must have a short memory, i shall remind you, 11 September...or 911 if you like your dates sdrawkcab. I seem to remember a few airports being shut then.
Anyway thats my 2 cents of slandering.
..as for paralysing the aviation transport industry you must have a short memory, i shall remind you, 11 September...or 911 if you like your dates sdrawkcab. I seem to remember a few airports being shut then.
Anyway thats my 2 cents of slandering.
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Anyone read 'Stupid White Men' by Michael Moore? Whilst most of the book is rabid rhetoric, it does detail how Bush (allegedly) fiddled the election in Florida by making any criminals inelligible to vote, but in doing so also made anyone innocent but with the same name inelligible. What are the chances that the FBI have have intercepted a number of passengers whose names are the Arabic equivalent of Smith, Jones, Brown etc? There are only so many names to go round, and I reckon that regular mis-identification is going to be a feature of life from now on.
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To all and sundry,
I believe that we all would agree that none of us want to see a September 11-style event, or one of a dissimilar nature with similar consequences reoccour.
If this attitude of attacking each other on a site that is supposed to be dedicated to those in this industry being free and able to contact each other in an informal and relaxed environment is going to perpetuate, flourish and undermine, then we, as Pilots and Aircrew alike are going to perish unto the very same disease that we purport to fight and dismiss.
Please don't let this stream and indeed this entire forum become corrupted by those that thrive on this very form of suppression. Lets just talk about it, agree to stand against it, and continue doing the thing it is that we are all so very lucky to be able to do - fly.
That is what is most important.
I believe that we all would agree that none of us want to see a September 11-style event, or one of a dissimilar nature with similar consequences reoccour.
If this attitude of attacking each other on a site that is supposed to be dedicated to those in this industry being free and able to contact each other in an informal and relaxed environment is going to perpetuate, flourish and undermine, then we, as Pilots and Aircrew alike are going to perish unto the very same disease that we purport to fight and dismiss.
Please don't let this stream and indeed this entire forum become corrupted by those that thrive on this very form of suppression. Lets just talk about it, agree to stand against it, and continue doing the thing it is that we are all so very lucky to be able to do - fly.
That is what is most important.
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Wino,
I agree that we should not stand idly by and wait for an occourence of Terrorism to shake us all again, but I would hope that we aren't really of the attitude that it is best to stay home. Yes it would aleviate the need to think about whether or not the aircraft you are on is a target, but if we choose to adopt the attitude that we should stay home and let this threat play itself out, then we are going to let them win, and we are going to see an even greater decline in this industry, and none of us can afford that.
I believe that we can all agree that this sucks, but I also believe that we can all agree that we won't let it beat us! So don't let it.
There will be nowhere that these people can go and find solace, aggreeance or support for their chosed profession. It is our task, and our duty to see that this attitude begins now, without a moment's delay.
I agree that we should not stand idly by and wait for an occourence of Terrorism to shake us all again, but I would hope that we aren't really of the attitude that it is best to stay home. Yes it would aleviate the need to think about whether or not the aircraft you are on is a target, but if we choose to adopt the attitude that we should stay home and let this threat play itself out, then we are going to let them win, and we are going to see an even greater decline in this industry, and none of us can afford that.
I believe that we can all agree that this sucks, but I also believe that we can all agree that we won't let it beat us! So don't let it.
There will be nowhere that these people can go and find solace, aggreeance or support for their chosed profession. It is our task, and our duty to see that this attitude begins now, without a moment's delay.