BACX for sale.
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BACX for sale.
So now we're being briefed that unless we can cut many millions off our operation, mainline BA will 'do a Deutsche BA' on us. This at a formal employee meeting the other night.
What next - please discuss.
What next - please discuss.
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Can you really be surprised?
Eddington has got rid of everything Ayling worked for. In the process he's ruined a good regional setup lost many BA staff jobs and lost market share.
He gave Go to Babs (who cashed in at Easy) just as it was turning a profit and now killed Brymon and Bral. Then given Eastern the Aircraft and routes that it wanted.
He's singularly responsible for destroying part of Britains heritage, in grounding Concorde. After all he is the boss and it is with him that the buck stops. Then he gives 2 frames to the yanks after what they did to stop the whole thing from being a success.
BACX was always going to be a dead duck from the day they wanted an all jet fleet. There are some routes that will not support jets but can make money with turboprops.
Eddington has got rid of everything Ayling worked for. In the process he's ruined a good regional setup lost many BA staff jobs and lost market share.
He gave Go to Babs (who cashed in at Easy) just as it was turning a profit and now killed Brymon and Bral. Then given Eastern the Aircraft and routes that it wanted.
He's singularly responsible for destroying part of Britains heritage, in grounding Concorde. After all he is the boss and it is with him that the buck stops. Then he gives 2 frames to the yanks after what they did to stop the whole thing from being a success.
BACX was always going to be a dead duck from the day they wanted an all jet fleet. There are some routes that will not support jets but can make money with turboprops.
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Hadn't heard anything about this one, what, where when, more details please !!
Can't believe I'm hearing this,
What in the name of God do BA define as Airline Management?????????
Can't believe I'm hearing this,
What in the name of God do BA define as Airline Management?????????
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Are you serious?
News like that isn't good for any of us.
Not a BACX employee, but a.n.other rival company. We all need rivals to keep the market afloat and the profession bouyant.
If true, best of luck to all in BACX!
News like that isn't good for any of us.
Not a BACX employee, but a.n.other rival company. We all need rivals to keep the market afloat and the profession bouyant.
If true, best of luck to all in BACX!
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If this is true (and I know nothing) it is typical of all big company management. If your predecessor diversified, cut back to the 'core business' and blame the year one losses on him. The inverse will also apply. If he decentralised, centralise, or vice versa. Blame as above.
It will take about four more years for your plan not to work. You will then collect your five million quid and leave, and your successor will start all over again.
A classic example was Ford, a fairly well run company, that bought Kwik-Fit for UKP1 billion and sold it a few years later for about UKP 300 million. They must have been wrong, either to have bought it in the first place or to have sold it. It's the kind of short term thinking than bugs business in the UK and America.
It will take about four more years for your plan not to work. You will then collect your five million quid and leave, and your successor will start all over again.
A classic example was Ford, a fairly well run company, that bought Kwik-Fit for UKP1 billion and sold it a few years later for about UKP 300 million. They must have been wrong, either to have bought it in the first place or to have sold it. It's the kind of short term thinking than bugs business in the UK and America.
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I used to work for one of the BA Franchise airlines.....in the good old days before BA started ruining all of them by a process of merger / amalgamation / integration / shafting. Glad I had the opportunity to get out when I did!
Best of luck to all in BACX. There is no way it can survive in its current form, saddled with the BA costs and inefficiencies, but here's hoping something positive will come of it.
This will all add to BA shinking back to a LHR-centric airline.
In trim.
Best of luck to all in BACX. There is no way it can survive in its current form, saddled with the BA costs and inefficiencies, but here's hoping something positive will come of it.
This will all add to BA shinking back to a LHR-centric airline.
In trim.
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair.
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Then let us pray that the trolls in waterside get on with it swiftly so we can get back to earning a living. The entire UK industry cannot live on Daily Expres briefings.
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I wasn't there personally, but heard from a colleague who was.
It was a meeting at SOU, chaired by TdlF, AM and SC.
Granted therefore this is secondhand, but seemingly AM admitted to a forthcoming 777 course, while TdlF confirmed he was unlikely to be with us much longer due his ambition to return to BA.
Reference to Deutsche BA was if proposed cuts in overheads were not achieved very soon.
It was a meeting at SOU, chaired by TdlF, AM and SC.
Granted therefore this is secondhand, but seemingly AM admitted to a forthcoming 777 course, while TdlF confirmed he was unlikely to be with us much longer due his ambition to return to BA.
Reference to Deutsche BA was if proposed cuts in overheads were not achieved very soon.
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So, despite all this belly-aching no-one has any solid evidence that BA intends to sell BACX.
A threat to sell up if cost can't be bought down is the oldest one in the book. Can't believe you suckers have fallen for it.
If BA do want to sell BACX, they'll have to tell the stockmarket first. So unless you see this rumour in reputable print / media give it the credence you would a gypsy selling heather.
A threat to sell up if cost can't be bought down is the oldest one in the book. Can't believe you suckers have fallen for it.
If BA do want to sell BACX, they'll have to tell the stockmarket first. So unless you see this rumour in reputable print / media give it the credence you would a gypsy selling heather.
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Was AM the managment pilot who left an EMB145 engine running on stand in Germany on a layover and received a call from the handling agent at check in at the hotel to return and shut it down?
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Well said Quid..That old favourite phrase of UK management again
"There are two motivators of men interest and fear"
Its always more difficult to get people interested.
FAQ - Regarding AM and the engines.....slight distortion there.
The engines didn't shutdown (thrust levers need to be all the way back on a 145 or the stop selector doesn't) ...but it was the baggage handlers positioning beneath the no. 1 engine who found it a bit noisier than normal.
"There are two motivators of men interest and fear"
Its always more difficult to get people interested.
FAQ - Regarding AM and the engines.....slight distortion there.
The engines didn't shutdown (thrust levers need to be all the way back on a 145 or the stop selector doesn't) ...but it was the baggage handlers positioning beneath the no. 1 engine who found it a bit noisier than normal.
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"So now we're being briefed that unless we can cut many millions off our operation, mainline BA will 'do a Deutsche BA' on us."
"Granted therefore this is secondhand, but seemingly AM admitted to a forthcoming 777 course, while TdlF confirmed he was unlikely to be with us much longer due his ambition to return to BA."
Huh! Obviously a thinly disguised ploy to raise morale..........
I've a hunch it might just work.
X'bec
"Granted therefore this is secondhand, but seemingly AM admitted to a forthcoming 777 course, while TdlF confirmed he was unlikely to be with us much longer due his ambition to return to BA."
Huh! Obviously a thinly disguised ploy to raise morale..........
I've a hunch it might just work.
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Rider of the Purple Sage,
I know this is a rumour site but sometimes I do wonder whether Pprune is being used to fulfil some individuals personal agenda.
If you had been at the management briefing on Thursday last you would have heard some facts not rumour.
AM is not imminently off to BA if in fact you bothered to ask him he will tell you that he expects to be in BACX for approximately another 18 months. TDLF also has no plans for an immediate departure, having overseen the merger of BRAL and Brymon he has stated that he wants to be around to see the airline returned to profitability and requipped with an all jet fleet of preferably EMB 170/190's, neither AM or TDLF are to my knowledge booked on imminent B777 courses.
BACX has still some way to go before returning to profitability although TDLF stated that he and the management team have been able to present to BA mainline cost savings which amount to a large proportion of what BA mainline management have asked to see over the next 12 months, I will not include actual figures on a public forum but they are available just ask TDLF or AM.
BACX is not in danger of being closed down or sold in the very near future however at some point not too distant BA will want to see a turnaround into profit, what company wouldn't having spent £70 million + on purchasing BRAL in the first place.
What every employee needs to do now is to stop the them and us situation and yes I have been as guilty as anyone of blaming management for all our woes and problems, and start working to turn the company around. TDL has stated that this is possible but it is going to be a long road with maybe more changes ahead.
Maybe its time to admit that management are taking us in the right direction albeit slowly, at the end of this particular phase we may find ourselves better placed than a lot of other UK and European airlines. Whatever happens I am sure that along with many other BACX employees I recognise the management have a tough job one that I wouldn't want for all the tea in China.
If this site is going to be used for company rumours then the least you can assure is that they are well researched and not based on what a friend of a friend heard whilst standing at a bar on the other side of the world. If you want to know the facts then phone and speak to the gentlemen concerned you might find yourself a little more enlightened
I know this is a rumour site but sometimes I do wonder whether Pprune is being used to fulfil some individuals personal agenda.
If you had been at the management briefing on Thursday last you would have heard some facts not rumour.
AM is not imminently off to BA if in fact you bothered to ask him he will tell you that he expects to be in BACX for approximately another 18 months. TDLF also has no plans for an immediate departure, having overseen the merger of BRAL and Brymon he has stated that he wants to be around to see the airline returned to profitability and requipped with an all jet fleet of preferably EMB 170/190's, neither AM or TDLF are to my knowledge booked on imminent B777 courses.
BACX has still some way to go before returning to profitability although TDLF stated that he and the management team have been able to present to BA mainline cost savings which amount to a large proportion of what BA mainline management have asked to see over the next 12 months, I will not include actual figures on a public forum but they are available just ask TDLF or AM.
BACX is not in danger of being closed down or sold in the very near future however at some point not too distant BA will want to see a turnaround into profit, what company wouldn't having spent £70 million + on purchasing BRAL in the first place.
What every employee needs to do now is to stop the them and us situation and yes I have been as guilty as anyone of blaming management for all our woes and problems, and start working to turn the company around. TDL has stated that this is possible but it is going to be a long road with maybe more changes ahead.
Maybe its time to admit that management are taking us in the right direction albeit slowly, at the end of this particular phase we may find ourselves better placed than a lot of other UK and European airlines. Whatever happens I am sure that along with many other BACX employees I recognise the management have a tough job one that I wouldn't want for all the tea in China.
If this site is going to be used for company rumours then the least you can assure is that they are well researched and not based on what a friend of a friend heard whilst standing at a bar on the other side of the world. If you want to know the facts then phone and speak to the gentlemen concerned you might find yourself a little more enlightened
Amazon man , this is not the place to slag off fellow pilots, however, your post is well intentioned but if you believe what PH, TDLF etc say to us then you must be either one of them or are a sucker for a good story.
Trust is a 2 way thing ,and very few people trust BACX management (loose term I know) and with damn good reason, just ask any turbo prop pilot in the company or now with Eastern.
Now you expect us to turn round and say OK boys lets cut more costs as per your dream sheet. They spend a fortune trying to save a few pence here or there, a very British disease, and it will lead to the closure of most of BACX sooner than most realise.
Trust is a 2 way thing ,and very few people trust BACX management (loose term I know) and with damn good reason, just ask any turbo prop pilot in the company or now with Eastern.
Now you expect us to turn round and say OK boys lets cut more costs as per your dream sheet. They spend a fortune trying to save a few pence here or there, a very British disease, and it will lead to the closure of most of BACX sooner than most realise.
