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[email protected] 30th May 2024 15:08

The most recent similar occurrence was at RAF Shawbury when a refresher student actually did the full shutdown drills on a 412 during a PFL and the instructor found himself heading for rural Shropshire with no engines.

A great effort to get both re-started in time to go around but something of a learning process for all involved.

212man 30th May 2024 15:22


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11666385)
The most recent similar occurrence was at RAF Shawbury when a refresher student actually did the full shutdown drills on a 412 during a PFL and the instructor found himself heading for rural Shropshire with no engines.

A great effort to get both re-started in time to go around but something of a learning process for all involved.

Must have started pretty high - the PT-6 is not the fastest starting engine around!

ShyTorque 30th May 2024 19:32


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11661965)
Must have just been shortcomings with Puma pilots then :E:), double speed select pulls were no problem for Wessex pilots:ok:

My student was ex Wessex…..

Lala Steady 31st May 2024 06:59

Weren't all students ex-Wessex in those days since it was the training aircraft at Shawbury?

Myra Leese 31st May 2024 14:36

The incident Crab refers to actually happened at Valley and only one engine was re-lit to allow a fly out. Good drills indeed by the captain but he nearly lost his job by how it all happened in the first place.

[email protected] 1st June 2024 06:45

Good point Myra, I had it in my mind it was Shawbury but given the QHI involved, Valley makes more sense.

It would have helped if he had reported in when he landed and signed in:)

XR518 7th June 2024 17:55

Ooooops! That would tax the stude a little...

VM325 29th August 2024 11:36

This just popped up on Facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1205047860740061

212man 29th August 2024 12:05


Originally Posted by VM325 (Post 11725409)
This just popped up on Facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1205047860740061

"One of the worst phone calls a helicopter engineering company can receive". A helicopter has crashed and needs recovering and repairing. Not a lot of mention (as in none) about the crew being safe and uninjured!

[email protected] 29th August 2024 12:11

Always happens on a Friday afternoon..............

zigandzag 12th October 2024 06:28

Throttle pull - or warp drive
 
When I was in charge of the Millennium Falcon, we used to always use live training when entering the asteroid zone at warp 9.

ericferret 13th October 2024 08:25


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11725430)
Always happens on a Friday afternoon..............

I recall an instructional flight at Strubby where they were converting a non English speaking Spanish pilot to the 105.
A translator was in the back seat.

"Shut down number two."

Then it all went quiet as that had come over as shut down two engines"

105 not the easiest to restart from the left hand seat.
Quick change of underwear and carry on.
Round about 45 years ago. Where does the time go.

UpAndDownAndUpAndDow 13th October 2024 10:06

I hear Helicentre have had another crash recently, this time one of their Cabri's. Anyone any more information?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2d84efbeca.jpg

helispotter 13th October 2024 20:50


Originally Posted by ericferret (Post 11750618)
I recall an instructional flight at Strubby where they were converting a non English speaking Spanish pilot to the 105.
A translator was in the back seat...

This example prompts me to ask what level of English proficiency pilots around the world are required to achieve given ATC communications internationally are all(?) in English.

KiwiNedNZ 13th October 2024 21:29

Is it more to the fact that helicentre train so many students that from time to time accidents happen or is there something systemically wrong there ??

RVDT 14th October 2024 05:23


Originally Posted by helispotter (Post 11750891)
This example prompts me to ask what level of English proficiency pilots around the world are required to achieve given ATC communications internationally are all(?) in English.

Only required if you are PIC outside your "home" country. And yes it technically applies to everybody even if you have a licence issued by an "English speaking" country your proficiency level needs to be endorsed on your licence.
I think it harks back to the Crossair accident in Zurich when they were hiring from all over and crews could not even communicate with each other!
In non-English speaking countries ATC will communicate with "you" in English but obviously not everyone else which is interesting sometimes.

Hughes500 14th October 2024 06:23

Ned might have answered your own question there

megan 15th October 2024 01:07


have a licence issued by an "English speaking" country your proficiency level needs to be endorsed on your licence.
Bunch of Australians went to Pensacola for training with the USN, one of the first things to be done was to pass an English exam, to be fair there were Germans, Vietnamese and Brazilians on the course as well, something all foreign students had to do. Mind you, what they speak in the deep south could hardly be called "English". ;)

KiwiNedNZ 15th October 2024 04:47


Mind you, what they speak in the deep south could hardly be called "English".
Us Kiwis we spoke proper English - them Aussies speak convict slang :ok:​​​​​​​

VM325 15th October 2024 09:46


Originally Posted by UpAndDownAndUpAndDow (Post 11750656)
I hear Helicentre have had another crash recently, this time one of their Cabri's. Anyone any more information?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2d84efbeca.jpg

According to the AAIB someone died...


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7509528cb4.jpg


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