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EC 175
Has anyone got a picture, drawing etc of the new helicopter
EC-175, Eurocopter has on the drawing board? |
Behold the jewel in the crown from Marignane........
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...DrwHeli043.jpg |
Now that is funny:ok: :ok: :ok:
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No I think that would be a new Bell prototype wouldn't it?.
Looking old and and out of date. |
That's all I have found , any other source of info about ec-175?
Eurocopter and China to develop heavy-lifter EC 175 by Kim Rosenlof During a Sunday morning press conference here at Heli-Expo, Eurocopter president Fabrice Bregier quietly announced a pending agreement with China to codevelop a new helicopter. Called the EC 175, the new 22,000-pound-gross-weight helicopter will be positioned between the EC 155 and the Super Puma to compete in the heavy-lift market. “We are in deep talks for a huge program related to the codevelopment of new helicopters…which we believe would be very good for all of our export prospects,” Bregier said. “I am very confident that we will be able to confirm this agreement in the coming months.” Although the Eurocopter president could not say more about the new helicopter program, the soft announcement underscores the growing investment that the multinational company is making in the Chinese market. Eurocopter has already licensed a Chinese manufacturer in Harbin to produce the EC 120 Colibri for the Asian market and has secured an order for 48 Chinese-built EC 120s to be used for light helicopter training. In addition, Eurocopter will be opening a subsidiary in China in 2005 to assist in the codevelopment of the EC 175. “We have great expertise in codevelopment, and in working with the Chinese, who produced Eurocopter products under license 25 years ago,” Bregier said. “So we know each other, and it’s safer for both sides to launch coproduction and codevelopment in a way that shares the costs and the benefits.” Eurocopter’s 2004 global expansion included Australian successes as well, including the delivery of the first of 12 ARH Tigers to the Australian air force, and the selection of the NH90 as the air force’s successor to the Black Hawk. Eurocopter also won a contract for the NH90 in Oman. The growing acceptance of Eurocopter as a military helicopter manufacturer is apparent as the dollar value of military orders received by Eurocopter in 2004 exceeded that of civil orders. Of a €3.24 billion (approximately $4.02 billion) order book, military orders accounted for 51 percent, and Bregier estimates that the military share of Eurocopter sales will continue to outstrip the civil market, even as Eurocopter’s share of the civil market continues to grow. In the U.S., Eurocopter enjoyed a 50-percent market share in 2004 with 147 deliveries, up 1 percent from 2003. To attempt to penetrate the U.S. military market, Eurocopter has partnered with Northrop Grumman as prime contractor to create a version of the NH90 acceptable to the U.S. military. “We believe that the NH90 is by far the most modern, most militarized helicopter of this category,” said Bregier. “Depending on the end-user’s requirements, and working with Northrop Grumman’s outstanding knowledge, we could manage a very good value for the U.S. Air Force.” In the meantime, Eurocopter received a contract from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security for up to 33 EC 120s and has already delivered to the U.S. Coast Guard 12 Dauphin re-engining kits manufactured at Eurocopter’s new plant in Mississippi. The USCG’s remaining fleet of 95 Dauphins will be outfitted with the kits within the next two years. Eurocopter has also applied for FAA certification to manufacture the AStar at the Mississippi plant. The helicopter is scheduled to roll out the first U.S. certified aircraft in July. |
Called the EC 175, the new 22,000-pound-gross-weight helicopter will be positioned between the EC 155 and the Super Puma to compete in the heavy-lift market. |
If it weighs 22000 lb it won't be called a 175: the 7 refers to the weight category in tons (i.e. it would be 7 tons = 15400 lb approx).
If you're really bored I can tell you what the 1 and the 5 mean! |
isnt 5 the number of engines ? EC135 , EC145 , EC155 , AS355 AS365 etc ( I guess 5 upside down looks like 2) .What are boeing gonna do now they have run out of numbers . Do I win a prize ?.
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I wonder if it will look anything like an NH90? Weight class appears about right. Lots of new technology already paid for.
Just a thought. |
Widgeon,
yes, sort of. Ignore the old AS numbers as that was a different system. With EC designators, the first number is eithe 1 for civuil or 6 for Mil, the second is the weight category and the last digit is 0 for single engine or 5 for a twin. When the weight goes into double figures they add it to the first digit e.g the 12 ton EC-225. (Bored in LGW waiting for a plane to Marseille!) |
Website?
Is there a website to get some hot naked photos and details of this new EC?
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My guess is that this spins on the statement made by EC about a year ago that there might be a civil version of the NH-90. This was in response to the relative success of the S-92 against the Super Puma, where the new safety features and Part 29 certification made a real dent in customer's minds. I hear that sales of the 225 and the older 332 family have been quite disappointing.
The NH-90 could be the basis of a reasonable 10 ton helo, just under the EC-225, and it would have to be fully certified, giving the opportunity to get it to meet the latest regs, thus leveling the field against the 92. The cost to develop a brand new set of transmissions and rotors is prohibitive, so the re-use of the NH-90 systems is a neat idea. Although the civil cert of the NH-90 rotors and transmissions is not very cheap, it is probably less than half the cost of starting anew, so the price of the new helo could be kept down. My guess is that it will have more volume than the 225, and have a close varient of the NH-90's dynamics. |
The work share for the NH90 transmission is with AW , whether it is true or just an urban legend I am not sure , but i was told that AW desisgned the transmission so that any increase in MGW that would make the NH90 a competitor to the EH101 would be difficult and expensive.
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Eurocopter launches EC175
The S-76/AS365/EC155/Bell 412/AB139 segment gets even more crowded ! :p
Another of the industry's worst-kept secrets, first touted at Heli-Expo in February. I'm not convinced over the civil focus of China's interest, though... :suspect: China in deal with Eurocopter to develop new helicopter Agence France Presse 12/5 China on Monday signed a cooperation deal with the European helicopter manufacturer Eurocopter for the development of a new 6-7 tonne civil helicopter. The deal was signed in Paris during a visit to France by Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao. The new 16-seater helicopter named the EC175 will go into development in 2006 and production is due to start in 2011, Eurocopter -- a subsidiary of the European consortium EADS -- said in a statement. Eurocopter and the Chinese company ACIC II will each invest €300m to develop the new helicopter, the statement said. "Production will be shared on a 50/50 basis and each country will have its own assembly line. Sales forecasts for this latest-generation helicopter call for 800 to be sold worldwide over the next 20 years," it said. I/C |
I had to surrender my secret decoder ring so this is from memory .
1 means civil version , 7 = 7 tonnes , 5 = even number of engines ( as 0 equals odd number of engines) . DId i get it right ?. So the NH90 if it had been only EC product would be EC595 . |
Widgeon,
you are on the right track, but not quite. Yes to 1 = civil, the weight and 5 = 2 engines (and 0 =1 engine.) However, military a/c are designated 6 (now, they used to be 5 as in the 565). Coupled to that, if the weight is in double figures, as the NH-90 is, the weight is added to the 6 to keep the 3 number ident. Classic example is the 225/725 family; it's a 12 tonne class a/c |
Sounds like the old US Navy method of naming helos HSS-1 = Helicopter (H), Anti-sub (S) , Sikorsky (S), 1st model (-1) which was the H-34. The HSS-2 was the SH-3, thank God they dropped the system, else the Sea Hawk would have been the HSS-3.
By the time you decoded the name, you could have bought a book about it. |
EC Plastic bombers
I think prior to unleashing any new products on the global scene Eurocopter should straighten out their lousy after sales support apart from providing distorted performance figures on some models. I hear rumours that some operator is phasing out EC aircraft because those ships were not able to carry the load as specified...:}
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EC 175
How many signed up for the head to head competitor to the AW139 (reference R&W Jan., 2006)? Has anyone committed to this aircraft yet or is it only for the Chinese market?
Chuck |
According to Aviation International News, "Eurocopter will start taking orders for the EC175 in February 2008 at the Heli-Expo show in Houston, Texas."
I/C |
First concept
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...Concept_lg.jpg Last concept http://www.fly-net.org/aeromedia/aw139jap.jpg :E |
EC 175
I saw the EC175 mockup before it left for the States. It does vaguely resemble the 139 but its bigger - 16 seats (?) in a reasonably spacious cabin. And Joy - more legroom for the pilots than the AS332L / EC225 family! Its also got proper doors... And American engines (which is pretty amazing for the French!)
A reliable source told me not to pay attention to the 3 bladed tail rotor - after all its only a mock-up! Maybe someone broke one so they had to space the remaining 3 out... Lets hope that having the fuel and baggage at the back does not result in CofG issues a la 139. HC |
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With the Chinese involved I wouldn't be surprised if a little "design borrowing" took place.
Power plants are the same as the 139's, so there's only so much you can squeeze out of performance. Put more weight on those donkies and you are going to end up with just a bigger and heavier underpowered 155. Let's not forget that the 139 is certified for 15 passengers away from the land of "Supersize Me". |
IMHO in the pictures I have seen I find the EC-175 rather an ugly duckling.
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with a base price of $8 mill dollars im not suprised they sold 100 already
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:{:{:{Nooo, Eurocopter, where has your beautiful aesthetic design team gone? It looks like an Mi-2 Hoplite that has popped over to Thailand for some cheap plastic surgery. :{:{
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Yet another Renault from France just like their Airbus products, this one made worse by the Chink participation.
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More powerful (Canadian!) engines than the AB139 and far larger and capable machine.
Always nice to see we all live in the global village: Isn't part of the S92 made in China by the Jingdezhen Helicopter Group, with more in Taiwan, Spain etc?? http://www.verticalmag.com/control/n...es/?a=6880&z=6 |
Zalt, no the donkeys are the same as the AW139 (P&WC PT6s) and they have the same -67E number.
The only difference there may be a full time DEC rather than the AW139 EEC. So I am figuring roughly the same specific fuel burn; they also carry up to 530 gallons fuel. This EC-175 got nothing to do with the S-92, but everything to do with ch....., I mean inexpensive production costs. |
Power plants are the same as the 139's, so there's only so much you can squeeze out of performance. Put more weight on those donkies and you are going to end up with just a bigger and heavier underpowered 155. Let's not forget that the 139 is certified for 15 passengers away from the land of "Supersize Me". The 15 pax. option in the 139 isn't very comfortable, so it's really nice a bigger cabin, if they do it right the 175 I'm sure will be another winner. Regards Aser |
Originally Posted by tottigol
Zalt, no the donkeys are the same as the AW139 (P&WC PT6s) and they have the same -67E number. The only difference there may be a full time DEC rather than the AW139 EEC.
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OK, I'll go back in my corner for a while:*
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Hey, don't leave just yet! :E
Besides, in addition to the Renault 5, they did also give us half of Concorde. And some nice plonk. And Sophie Marceau, Eva Green, Emmanuelle Beart, Brigitte Bardot and Alizee. (Sorry, I seem to have wandered off-subject... :E ) I/C |
Ec 175
HC:
16 seats yes, nice cabin if it stays that size, uses a small aisle for the rear row to exit. Baggage door is high but probably manageable. Engines, well American parent, but Canadian built, they speak French there too! My real reason for the post was your comment on three bladed tail rotor. Do you have a concern? I though it was an interesting (design/concept) mockup. The blades have a quite a large cord and I would imagine three blades would be easier to balance or have less vibratory loads. And hopefully less, dare I say tail cracking issues. Would three produce less noise too? I too have concerns on CG. Big engines, big tail, big baggage compartment and of course all the new avionics up front will be light. And we too placed an order 10 +10. |
Didn't know ERA got a 225, looks swell in the paint and i like that 1H's glass panel, nice, cheers for sharing!
Heli-Expo: Eurocopter books commitments for 111 EC175s By Graham Warwick http://adserver.adtech.de/adserv%7C3...rp=%5Bgroup%5D Eurocopter has left Heli-Expo in Houston, Texas with letters of intent for 111 of its new EC175s, having opened the show by unveiling a full-scale mock-up of the 7t-class, 16-passenger helicopter. The European manufacturer says 13 different customers signed letters of intent to buy the EC175 during the three days of the show. These included launch customers Bristow Group and VIH Aiation of Canada, both oil and gas operators. Other commitments came from the UK's Bond, Denmark's Dancopter, France's Heli-Union, Era and Halvorson Group of the USA, India's Global Vectra, New Zealand's HNZ, Belgium's NHV and Pegaso of Mexico. http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/g...x?ItemID=21687 © Eurocopter The Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67E-powered EC175 is being developed jointly with China's Harbin Aviation Industry Group. First flight is scheduled for 2009, with European certification expected in 2011. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPPZfqTDDF0 |
Ec 175
HC,
You are right, but we Americans like to think we are the only Americans, when the truth is the term does encompass our continental friends both North and South. Interesting comments on the tail rotor, I remember someone mentioning to me while I was at Sikorsky that they could think of no helicopter that went to production with the same tail rotor and/or tail stabilizer/configuration that was original to the design concept. Cheers, Dave |
Mac's in the UK are saying $10 million dollars for this heli eventhough they have been launched for $8 Million, does anyone have a contact company in the US where one may be able to order this heli
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EC have always had Euro pricing and USD pricing for the longest time it was cheaper to buy in Europe , with the sagging dollar the pendulum has swung the other way. If you want to fly under N reg in UK you may be OK to buy in USA and fly in Uk ( or other Easa country ) . If you want to transfer to UK register you may find EC less than co operative. But if the diff is 2 mill for sure is is worth looking into. Plus of course the ones for the US market will have reverse main rotor direction :rolleyes:
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Would McAlpine really price in dollars? Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.
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