I'll still take the EC175 and no Italians.

EC 175
 

You should find it on Helicopter EC120, civil helicopter, colibri helicopter - Eurocopter, an EADS company

Everyone has his limitations, I'd say.:cool:

No Italians?
 

Tottigol,
I agree with you!

And I hope that the ones that bought the 540 AW139s sold until now, think the same...

EC175 Cowlings
 

Has anyone seen how the cowlings open on the 175? Looks like 2 pieces, fwd and aft. I am guessing they slide, but I am wondering how the fwd one can slide if an upper WSPS is installed. Just something I wondered when looking at some pics.

Some more performance data is emerging.

On he programme generally

EC175 exceeds operational targets with 30% performance increase | Helihub - the Helicopter Industry Data Source

If the sales blurb is like the other eurocopters I will wait and see what it will actually do.... If you know what I mean?

How cynical!

I was rather hoping one or two PPRUNEsters are currently 'comparing' the type to its spec and able to comment;)

I think lowfat's comment is based on history and he is expressing scepticism.

Cynicism is simply too easy when discussing ECF :E

Being slow-witted, I can't quite see the point of the EC175 when compared against the EC225. I mean, 100 NM radius with 18 pax, presumably returning to base with 45 mins fuel remaining. Really....and?

With the same 45 mins fuel remaining, the EC225 routinely carries 19 pax, and has radius of action of 190 NM. (Arrogant yawn).

Wherever the EC175 might be intended to operate, it doesn't seem to fit a niche operating to Northern North Sea decks from Aberdeen. Even the S92 can't hold a candle to the EC225 when comparing load carried versus range versus fuel consumption.

Climb the EC225 to FL80, it does that smoothly and easily, reduce the lever to a division below MCP on the FLI to maintain the average 145 kt TAS, the fuel consumption drops to below 590 kg/hr, increasing the radius of action to 210 NM. An easy 10% gain!

And so for specific fuel consumption per passenger and effective range, the EC225 is the clear leader. I rest my case M'Lud. (Smug smile).

Is there an Oriental version of the 225? If the answer is 'no' then I can only assume that is why the 175 has been conceived - massive market and massive opportunities?

What is an Oriental Version? One that is produced on the Orient or one with special features? If so what would those special features be?

#5 and a #12 maybe?

Sorry couldn't resist

Si

Colibri, I think the point is that the 175 is a lot cheaper to buy and operate, so if you don't have 19 pax, and your installation is not that far offshore, it might be a better option.

Hello,
You're right HeliComparator, there's a market for this class of aircraft.
that's the reason for exemple, why Bristow has signed for 6 AW189 (16 seats as standard with the option for a high density 18 seat layout or an ultra long range 12 seat configuration).

Looking at the cabin in the EC175, it would seem that if they're going to offer an 18 seat option, the pax would all have to be 5'6" Orientals weighing 140 lbs (10 stone) max, and their consequent baggage allowance would be a shaving bag plus a spare pair of underpants.

To be cheaper to buy and operate, I guess those costs pertaining to the EC225 would have to be factored by something like .66 for the EC175. But I wonder whether Eurocopter could afford to offer them for that.

Does anyone know what the asking price is?

Colibri49 - I think you've found the 'Oriental' version.
If China had been involved with 225 production then we would probably not be seeing the 175? Would have brought the purchase price down/operating costs but it is a large chopper IMHO and I have not done the market research!
If I've learnt one thing in rotary world - that must be never to believe blurb of PR department!!
Wish AW all the best in its battle with EC to produce the 'default' medium lift chopper as competition can only be good news for operators and passengers alike.

I see NHV just placed a order for 10 at the Expo!

EC175 latest
 

can any of you guys give a feedback on the latest on the 175:)

The Eurocopter EC175 is making progress toward certification. :ok:

Transport Canada has already certified Pratt & Whitney Canada’s 1,775-shp PT6C-67E turboshaft.

EC has now revealed the precise mtow for the helicopter: 16,535 pounds.

The radius of action, for two pilots and up to 16 passengers, is given as 135 nm (oil and gas configuration, JAR OPS 3, fuel reserves 30 minutes plus 10-percent contingency fuel, ISA conditions).

EC 175
 

Hi,

just looking for any info thats on offer other than a company website. Our operation is looking at going onto EC 175s next year, can you offer any info you may have on them, good or bad. What similarites do they share with its brothers and sisters. Any expierience with them etc etc

thanks

AFAIK the first aircraft has yet to be delivered, so it would seem unlikely that anyone has any operational experience of them yet.

saying Eurocopter has finger trouble is controversial!!

Masterpiece of French-Chinese engineering?
 

Can't keep from asking myself, who might fancy a helicopter designed, build, tested and certificated by french and chinese. Would the same guy buying such a helicopter also buy a french-chinese car for his wife and children?

you mean a bit like fitting Chinese steering components to a London Taxi....

CheckBall Maybe the same who fly the EC120 (Jointly designed, developed and assembled by EC,CATIC and Harbin). :rolleyes:

And by the way, you should know that EC is not French but German, French and Spanish so you're free to insult the French if you like it, but please, don't use the name of EC for that, except if you hate the German and Spanish too. :ugh:
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Well Henry,
Correct me if I am wrong, but the German side of Eurocopter is called ECD and the spanish part is nothing more than a Subsidiary, So EC could very well be confined to the gallic part of that company.
As opposed to your reply, my posting was not meant as a personal insult, rather as a comment on the outstanding quality of craftsmanship these two great nations are known for. Also I believe that all developments are done in Marignanne, France, and not in Spain or Germany.
Here is something to think about for you: Critique exercised to a certain manufacturer, lets say a french one, does not necessarily mean that this critique covers the whole nation and every individual of that nation.

Well Check Ball, you seem to be very precise so yes, you're wrong : the spanish part is not "nothing more than a subsidiary", it's a full part of EC called Eurocopter España (thank's for them).

Sorry, I miss understood your point : just a critique exercised to a certain helicopter manufacturer isn't it ? So why did you speak about car manufacturers in your first post and "great" nations in your second ?...:ugh:
Anyway, happy that you're only after the French and Chinese (mind, you don't know them well…), the German and Spanish don't deserve it.

And if the 120 is not amazing, it's quite a good aircraft. God, how is this possible ?!!! :rolleyes:

Return to the topic : about the 175, it flies, that's all we can say at the present time.
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As HeliComparator says, none delivered yet. Your operation might want to touch base with the launch customers, most of whom have been involved with the program through the CAT process and will therefore have first-hand knowledge of the type.

Regarding commonality with other EC types, as posted previously the 4-axis AFCS is common with that on the EC225 and the tail rotor is reportedly derived from that on the Tiger. The 'Helionix' avionics suite will also be common with that on the EC145 T2 and other unspecified future models.

I/C

Pilot report should you be interested.

http://www.ainonline.com/sites/ainon...8-39_d1_v5.pdf

Interesting to note that PW has 30 sec (1991 hp) and 2 min (1771 hp) OEI limits for -67E as opposed to just the 2.5 min (1632 hp) limit for the -67C (AW139)

I wonder what the MGB OEI limits will be, will they be able to use the full 1991 hp?

Any guess what the fuel burn will be in cruise? Would 450 kgs be a reasonable guess? If so that should give about 4 hrs fuel. I understand that the 189 is undergoing a fairly major design modification as at present it only has about 3 hrs fuel.

At Heli Expo in Vegas a few months back see the Bristow machine :)

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...psd1ea6fa1.jpg

http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g2...psba684f79.jpg

Cheers

Chopper ..not necessarily. This machine is being retained by Eurocopter for add on certification testing for some time to come. It may be a wolf in Bristow clothing!

Looks like the Airbus AH175 ;) is to complete its flight testing by the end of the month.

Flight Global

Sliding Door
 

Does anyone know if the sliding door can be jettiisoned? From the pictures I have seen if it is open it appears to neatly block the rear row escape windows. This follows on from the discussion on the recent L2 ditching and survivability/escapement through sliding doors.

I'm sure EC (AH!) have thought this through - at least I hope so.

SANUS

I will get some information for you it's just not to hand right now. I flew the machine in the picture in Louisiana. It's a stunning helicopter and the windows are huge. Visibility from any seat is like sitting in the pope mobile.

It's DAFSC is based on EC225 but with significant further features like co-ordinated Groundspeed turns and Flight Path Angle approaches.

Absolutely no vibration. Stacks of power. Multilayer display technology. No switches, gauges or lights in the O/H panel and no quadrant.

One Bristow's Training Captain called it a "Magic Flying Carpet"

Yes.

No; existing product designations (AS350, EC175, etc.) will be retained after January 2014. Future designation methodology (e.g. for X4, X6, etc.) tba.

I/C

It'll be interesting to see how popular the EC175 is once it's (finally) certified. I've heard of a lot more orders and interest for AW189s than I have of 175s.

Interesting that the 1st production EC175 is no longer in Bristow colours with the red having been removed. Does this mean that Bristow is no longer the launch customer?