Covid Vaccines And Reported After Effects Of Concern To Pilots
 

Hmmm.., lookleft, what is the ‘expertise’ you are quoting to make a determination of “gibberish”..:hmm:

For starters, try re-reading my post. I’m not covering covid as such. I’m looking at the vaccine side effects. With reference to this chap:

Robert Clancy, Emeritus Professor of Pathology at the University of Newcastle Medical School. He is a member of the Australian Academy of Science’s COVID-19 Expert Database.

https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/covi...vid-narrative/

Just an update to the above post.

The numbers are starting to climb..

The Australian government should be urgently investigating the “incredibly high” 13 per cent excess death rate in 2022, the country’s peak actuarial body says.

Karen Cutter, an actuary of more than 25 years and spokeswoman for the institute’s Covid-19 Mortality Working Group, said 13 per cent was an “incredibly high number for mortality” and that it was “not clear” what was driving the increase.

“Mortality doesn’t normally vary by more than 1 to 2 per cent, so 13 per cent is way higher than normal levels,” she said.


https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...4e237c59f59bf7

Did you actually read all the article or TLDR?

In particular the paragraph under the heading - ‘Zero evidence’ of vaccine link'

One can read..;)



“There is zero evidence that vaccines are causing these deaths as far as I’m concerned, but I cannot prove it,” she said.


https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...4e237c59f59bf7

Watch this


Then tell me all the crap CASA spews about taking prescribed drugs with side effects , and not to fly.

Whilst being forced to take it or loose your job.

Senator Malcolm Roberts certainly well versed in the subject.

It is astounding just what is coming out about the untested vaccine:

https://rumble.com/v20negu-er-doctor...ine-dm-cl.html

What a silly and useless interrogation. Clearly the AM authority must take its lead from the national health authority, which approves or does not approve vaccination with specific drugs following a review of the available data.

He talks about “the Covid vaccine”. Which one does he mean? Has there only been one vaccine approved for use im Australia? Why on earth would the AM authority be expected to conduct their own evaluation of each vaccine, and with what resources?

This is no way to conduct an investigative process in the public interest. The senator is behaving as if the AM representatives are on trial. For what? Doing their jobs?

I agree. The senator comes across a jumped up tosser! Sadly, the CASA guys are so taken aback by the absurdity of the questions that they aren’t able to reply as effectively as they might.

As this guy does: (Doesn’t seem to work - it’s the Rear Admiral answering Pauline Harrison’s submarine questions)

“Taken aback…” ? They were sitting there in front of the senator. Perhaps you think they were there to talk about the weather? Considering the context, seems to me a fairly straight forward set of probing questions to gain some background to the subject.

Of note in the senator Roberts questions is the reference to airline pilots being ‘mandated’ vaccination. Now, thats a bit strange, most Australians were not ‘mandated’ an injection. How then did it become a job requirement for certain pilots?..:hmm:

..and perhaps you can explain the vaccine mandate for certain pilots. Where is the ‘scientific’ evidence for that ?.. :hmm:

And, that’s a mandate for an unproven and mostly untested vaccine that is being supplied by company’s that have legal indemnity…… Yeah, them bridge salesmen are now in the vaccine business..:D


Back with the thread subject: There is an increase in heart related deaths around the world so any relationship to pilot incapacitation or death needs to be looked at reference the vaccines. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/he...4e237c59f59bf7

Covid Vaccines And Reported After Effects Of Concern To Pilots
 

This is the correct thread to discuss Covid Vaccines and known After Effects that could be/should be of interest to Pilots, particularly those who fly in Single Pilot Operations.

Unless and until credible official sources or corroborated firsthand information is reported that attends to a particular incident or accident.....THIS is the thread to utilize for your offerings.

Perhaps because you infect every thread with your covid the Mods decided to give you a thread of your own to infect.

Chuffed I is..:)

As time goes by there are more Reports and Studies yielding up to date data re Covid, Covid Vaccines, and Side Effects of the Vaccines.

We are also learning that organized efforts by the US Government and Social Media to suppress that kind of information was done during the early days of the Pandemic and subsequent to fielding of the several Vaccines and mandates imposed upon entire populations of several nations.

Here is one more article that offers some recent news.

Make of it what you wish.....go to the Reports being noted with the article and read the original sources for yourself.

https://justthenews.com/politics-pol...ax-myocarditis

There may or may not be a small number of those who had adverse reactions to the vaccine - that needs to be balanced against the much larger number who were saved from death or serious illness by the vaccines worldwide.

There is absolutely no data to support that statement. Infact big pharma has since admitted they had no data or evidence to support that it even worked when it was rolled out. Wake up.

Helicrazi

can you reference the admissions of big pharma that they had no data please?

Which pharma companies and which vaccines were involved in these admissions? Where were they made? Exactly what was said?

It might seem like I an being a bit picky, but unless you say exactly what is meant and demonstrate it, it‘s very easy to just “say stuff“ and facts, falsehood and deliberate attempts to mislead and confuse public cannot be distinguished.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/s...17a62784fec414

Just one of many admissions, do your own research, mainstream media are part of the problem

At the same time, politicians were spouting 'safe and effective' 'protect those around you' based on absolutely nothing.

I had my second Pfizer vaccine in due course. A couple of weeks later I suffered what can only have been myocarditis. At the time it occurred I didn’t understand exactly what it was. I hadn’t heard of the condition and didn’t discover that I was by no means the only one, until quite some time afterwards and had more or less recovered. My symptoms were 100% typical of those reported elsewhere. At the time I felt that the health services were reluctant to acknowledge what I had gone through. However, it took 5 weeks to get a 24 hour ECG slot, which I had initially expected to be given within days of my first emergency appointment at my local health centre and by then the symptoms had more or less gone. It may be that there was a long waiting list for the ECG monitoring set….

I have subsequently had confirmed COVID and it was by no means as unpleasant or worrying as the myocarditis had been. Evidence enough for me; I’ve formally opted out of any future vaccinations.

Response edited to meet moderator request to cut down on "chaff".

The video of Rob Roos questioning a Pfizer executive is on that link. Watch the video. Like you, I'm not interested in the journal, only the video of the pfizer executive answering in her own words. They had no data!

As in so many illnesses and diseases.....correctly diagnosis the root cause based upon symptoms can be difficult.

Add other chronic health problems with similar but unrelated symptoms can create difficulties in arriving at a correct diagnosis.

When we discuss Side Effects of Covid Vaccines and possible risks for Pilots....particularly those who fly as a Single Pilot in an aircraft we add yet another layer to that problem.

This article can be summed up as "Everything you wanted to know.....but were afraid to ask" kind of information can lead to a flawed self diagnosis if one is not careful.

Having all or most of these symptoms should surely cause one to seek a clinical diagnosis of the causes of the symptoms rather than going it alone only.

The question for all of us....if we do have symptoms that concern us....do we voluntarily ground ourselves pending obtaining that clinical involvement and incur loss of income and other problems?

Just where do we draw the line on when we act on our own and when do we carry on until told we are safe to fly or are medically grounded by the Authority?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20352539

friend of mine (40) had his (Moderna MNRA) Covid booster and immediately started having heart issues, he lost his CAA class 2 medical, it took months, and well over £1,500 (scans, tests etc), to get it back

he had no previous heart issues and had not had Covid

The question concerned data preventing transmission. How would there be data available demonstrating effectiveness in preventing transmission be available at rollout? The vaccines were developed and approved rapidly so data on effectiveness in preventing transmissibility is not likely to have been available. The line of questioning is unreasonable and intended to cause doubt about the approval process and reasons for it. It was to stop people dying in scenes repeated in China, Italy, Spain and NY.

The question of whether side-effects were inadequately known, researched and if they represented a disproportionate risk is an entirely different domain.

Let‘s keep it real and not go down a rabbit hole.

And you are part of the problem. Hook, line, sinker. One day you will also wake up, just hope its not too late for you.

There is the case of a Qantas pilot who took the vaccine and were sent to hospital with a side effect. He refused any further vaccinations though Qantas insisted he be further vaccinated.!!! Senator Malcolm Roberts mentions the case at the the time 2.40:

He doesn’t need to wake up! You are aware of the concept of ‘the greater good’ I assume? Although not even strictly applicable as there has never been a suggestion of elevated risk by the medical community. The vaccines (plural!) greatly reduced the burdens on the health care systems and allowed it/them to refocus attention on conventional demand, which had been greatly impacted. I don’t even understand why there is so much paranoia - it’s a corona virus vaccine for a new strain. It’s not some totally new and unprecedented medical treatment. I don’t see people up in arms about some of the revolutionary new treatments for leukemia or Alzheimer’s that are hitting the news.

For the record, I’ve had a full double injection initial dose and two separate boosters. I also spent 18 months in an environment (not western world) where significant numbers of colleagues and their relatives were dying from COVID.

This information was obtained from the Mayo Clinic Website.

No reference was made to any specific Study or Report but seemed to be based upon some general statistical data generated from standard Medical Records and standard reporting procedures.
This article contains far more information and goes into some detail re studies and research (dated August 2021) thus was based upon some fairly early studies.

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/covid-19-vaccine-safety

One wonders if the increase in reporting is connected to the awareness that the vaccines have been administered? Hard to tell - people’s tolerance to accepting symptoms without possible cause may be different.

I don‘t know what you are talking about. I have been vaccinated 3x each time with Cominarty from BioNTech, one of the two mRNA vaccines (also distributed by Pfizer). Very weary after first two shots; zero reaction 3rd time.

I have also had Covid 3x. First bout really nasty; second bout (post vaccine, post exposure) somewhat less nasty; last bout pretty unpleasant but less severe than the others.

I also know scores of people who in turn know scores of people who have not reported serious adverse side effects from the vaccines, but have had very different experiences of Covid, including two deaths.

So I’m left wondering what it is that you hope that I will wake up to before it‘s too late? Too late for what? I‘ve had the mRNA injections and Covid multiple times. What else is in store?

All that said, I appreciate Shy and Hargreaves’ input, clearly some people do have adverse reactions and that is not to be made light of.

Quite true and I guess demonstrates that when you have something statistically low applied to a high n population, the absolute number of affected people will be sufficiently high to be noticed.

I had the two Moderna injections, no boosters, and until the past couple of weeks have had no signs of Side Effects other than a sore arm.

The past two weeks I have had all of the symptoms listed but they seem mild and transient but I also have some other underlying health issues that could each cause what I am experiencing.

I have people within my social circle that have had Covid....some have had it twice...two people I know but did not associate with died from pneumonia related to Covid.

I based my decision on getting the injections on the risk/gain method....the vaccine might me feel bad (I refuse Annual Flu Shots due to that as I seem to get the Flu when I do take the injection but not when I do not) and considered the down side far more dangerous than the risk of really bad side effects.

I have taken the Hepatitis, Pneumonia, and Shingles jabs every time they were offered.

Hepatitis because of flying EMS, Pneumonia because I am old......and Shingles because I have never had it....and damn sure do not want it ever.

We all have different situatiions....medically and re exposure.

I just attended a football game where there were 50,000 people....none with masks...and lots of yelling and cheering going on.....and the only problem I encountered was a good dose of food poisoning from a bad sandwich.

One of the people I was with for the weekend is a Doctor and his views on the government and hospital administration reactions to the Covid Pandemic is not flattering to either.

The short version is there was a huge over reaction by both which resulted in the causing of far more harm than was necessary.

He was and remains in a very difficult situation as he is dealing with Patients daily but his Wife is battling a very aggressive case of Lung Cancer that requires her to travel monthly to Boston for treatment.

Thus limiting her exposure to Covid is a very important priority.

That weekend travel for the ball game is similar to Air Crew and Passengers traveling in close proximity to one another and why reasonable safety precautions should be carefully thought out and practiced.

That 212, and long-standing Rotorheads reporting adverse reactions is quite the attention grabber.

And how does wild conspiracy theory-style accusations like that help?

Bad news if you have had a reaction - I haven't after 3 vaccines and one dose (very mild a month or so after second vaccine) of Covid and nor have my two sons who are in the 'danger' zone age range and of all my aircrew and non-aircrew colleagues have had similar non-event experiences with the vaccines.

So given an obvious risk of Covid leaving you on a ventilator or worse or maybe taking a slight risk with a vaccine - I'll take the vaccine every time without hesitation.

Hmmm.. here in Australia the average age of death from the china virus was about 82. The chances of dying from the china virus decrease dramatically as the age profile of sufferers goes below that 82 age group - unless you are obese.

[email protected], I’m wondering why you think yer might end up on a ventilator. Are you older then 82 or obese ?..:hmm:




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it’s not a f***ing China virus!

In the same way it was never Spanish flu.

The average age of death from the china virus is in the 80’s. In the younger group obesity is a big factor.

212man, so, yer colleagues, they is aged in their 80’s eh..:hmm:




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My flying career is over.
after a covid booster I went running and my heart rate went 200+
X-ray showed my heart was enlarged
6 weeks later it was back to normal, approaching 2 years later no recurrence.
RAF won’t even give me a twin pilot ticket for a one off incident that the NHS have said is unlikely to happen again

of course not. Fatuous question!