We have yet to cross the fact that life insurance companies are refusing payouts of vaccine deaths due to the insured taked part in a 'clinical trial'

Pretty sure part-med says pilots can not take part in clinical trials, yet here we are.

Keep in mind, these vaccines are not approved, they have been granted 'emergency dispensation'

Being vacinated with an approved vaccine is not taking part in a clinical trial. The clinical trails happen bfore the drug is approved. Obviously. Stop making stuff up for goodness sake.

The under-reporting you are referring to concerns all drugs covered by the yellow card scheme. Given mass vaccination and the heightened awareness of side effects associated with some Covid 19 vaccines, 90% under-reporting seems pretty unlikely on the face of it. Especially with serious side effects.

Read for yourself: FDA clearly states Emergency Use

https://www.fda.gov/emergency-prepar...id-19-vaccines

If you get a Covid jab, it's approved. If it wasn't, it wouldn't be available to you.

If you have a UK medical, the AMEs take their lead from the UK health authority about what is and isn't approved. Why are you trying so hard to make something simple complicated?

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/corona...virus-vaccine/

Hc, your profile says you're UK based but you're quoting the FDA.
From the NHS site Tt linked:Note 'approved'.

Allow me to assist (it's not a mainstream news oraganization, so you might be inclined to find it unreliable).
Australian government stats. (have a look at the blue line)

Thankyou. I missed that Helispotter post..:)

Dig deeper: Approved under Regulation 174

Regulation 174 is an emergency approval and states that normal regulations dont apply.

Find the regulations here https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ne-year-review
From section 3.1 they didn't make it up on the back of a fag packet and the standards required still had to be met

100% correct its still under an emergency use authorisation category , this is to protect the vaccine manufacturers from law suits still. The lies are coming out slowly.

Keep digging, you are getting there.

'Standards required' as you quote - effectively in an 'emergency' there are very few....

No, you are just scaremongering - they didn't disregard the standards at all and your use of the word 'emergency' implying everything went out of the window is just unwarranted and unfounded.

From this site https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/em...thorisation-eu
You keep trying to uncover a conspiracy that isn't and wasn't there - they did their absolute best and without doubt saved lives - what more do you want?

And there seems to be plenty of information for healthcare professionals here - https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicin.../EPAR/spikevax scroll down to where it details risks associated - for myocarditis it may occur in 1 in 10, 000 people...........where is the cover up?

and it is also a known symptom, occurring more frequently in connection with a Covid infection than as a side effect of vaccination.

Some people want certainty where there can be none. In the absence of certainty, all manner of uncertainty and ill intent is perceived. And a willingness to leap from 1 + 1 to arrive at 647

I am confused.

When I read a statement like this.....

Then I read this...




If we are going to make statements of fact.... how about providing the rest of us with some idea where you are obtaining your information and what Date that information was made public.

We know one thing for sure....over the course of the past couple of years since Covid first appeared the knowledge base has changed as Studies and Analysis of Data has been done.

The newer the Reports and Data are they should be based upon more accurate information.

Can we get back to what the thread is supposed to be about....Covid, Covid Vaccines, effects and side effects there of that can affect a Pilot's health, fitness, and suitability to maintain one's License and Employment?

That is what I want to hear about as it is a very real issue as a few have shown by relating their own personal experiences.

I think a pulmonary embolism would ground you:

Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine has been linked to blood clotting in older individuals, according to the FDA. FDA researchers looked at data covering 17.4 million elderly Americans who received a total of 34.6 million vaccine doses between Dec. 10, 2020, and Jan. 16, 2022, and found that pulmonary embolism met the initial threshold for a statistical signal. The study was published in the journal Vaccine on Dec. 1.

The FDA isn’t taking any action on the results.



I think myocarditis would ground you:

The FDA added a warning about the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis to fact sheets for Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 back in 2021. The warning notes that reports of adverse events following vaccination – particularly after the second dose – suggest increased risks of both types of heart inflammation.

Wrt Myocarditis and Pericarditis. British Heart Foundation website discusses risks:
BHF: Myocarditis and Covid-19 vaccines: should you be worried?

One highlight

Which goes against the government acknowledgement of the increased risk.

4 events in 17 million vaccinees and 34 million vaccinations Jim.

You read the proviso on those 4 events too, right?

They FDA did not take action because the researchers concluded the benefits of vaccination outweighed the risks in the studied population, over 65s

It is ‘t saying what you would like it to.

Don't think you need to worry Sasless - not really your age bracket.

1200 reports out of 300,000,000 doses..........that's 1 in 250,000 so even rarer than the warnings on the EU webpage I linked to.

and It seems myocarditis events after vaccination are more common in younger men but myocarditis events after INFECTION are more common in older men. In both cases the events are very rare.

From the US FAA website.....FAQ Page re Covid Vaccines.

https://www.faa.gov/coronavirus/guid...es/vaccine_faq

Generally....no flying duties for 48 hours following a vaccine dose.

If any adverse symptoms exist or occur after the 48 Hour stand down.....you are grounded until you have complied with existing regulations re fitness for duty as determined by an Aviation Medical Examiner using established protocols.

Crab,

I was by no means in the "adolescent / young men" age bracket either, but it was real enough and was the most frightening and debilitating illness I've experienced. I definitely had not had COVID.

In 2021 I chose to have the AZ jabs as I felt the possible main side effects (clotting) were 'better' than the possible Pfizer side effects. There was quite a lot of 'pressure' to get the jabs at work.

Jabs were fine (I was on an anti coagulation med at the time, due a recent ablation). Out of curiosity I got tested for 'jab' antibodies (Roche test) 1 month after 2nd jab, i June 2021. Score out of 0-2500 was 621, which apparently was a reasonable amount of antibodies. 6 months later, December 2021 there was more 'pressure' to have booster. So I got Roche tested again. This came back as 599. Hardly a drop and still a good level. So I declined booster, especially as I couldn't specify the AZ one again but would have to have the Pfizer.

September 2022 I had a spot of covid. Pos lat flow tests for 5 days. I checked for 'jab' antibodies a month later (same Roche test, same lab) .... 2500 max score !

So no m-RNA boosters for me ! I've had the the natural version !

and work agreed this time when I discussed my jab antibody 'scores'. .....no point in a booster, I had the real thing !.......especially as latest research is showing that current booster generated antibodies are giving little protection from the very latest covid strains.

Perhaps it's time to put our big pants on and face the enemy !

Until the next variant turns up..........

Shy, I know you, like me, are no spring chicken but I think you were very unlucky. Sorry to hear about it.

The odd thing was that after all the 'lockdown' fuss of the previous 2 years the day I tested positive in September (feeling a bit 'fluey) on the day we were due to get on a plane from UK to Crete for our hol. I called TUI and they said no restrictions now, no testing at airport or in Crete, you can still go if you want. I think I would have felt a bit guilty doing that for the other passengers ! With just 5 hours notice on take off
time TUI very kindly let me rebook for later in the year.

Not forgetting "young" JT2, too! I suspect a lot of similar cases to ours have gone unreported. As I said, my own experience was that the NHS system was reluctant to admit the possibility of any connection to the vaccine, which isn't at all surprising.

I think there will be more to come on this subject in future times. I was very much "pro" vaccination until my illness occurred but I'm sure you'll understand why I won't be risking taking any further doses. If that places future restrictions on my lifestyle, I can live with that, in all senses of the expression.

For those that have had side effects from the Vaccines.....any kind of immune system illnesses in. your past?

Such as Rheumatic Fever or anything similar?

Reading this Article that focused upon German Government Data....that was a question that was mentioned as being a concern.

I offer the linked article only as being the source that generated my interest and not so much as being a document that should be debated here.

I did post it In the Jet Blast Covid thread where the Report itself can be discussed.

What I am curious about is if the suggestion prior illnesses or exposure to prior illnesses could be a factor to be considered when one decides to take a Vaccine or Vaccine Booster shot and thus perhaps trigger a potential problem for maintaining a Medial Qualification.

https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.c...dataset-of-the

Responded to this on Jet Blast SASless. I do not want to play down the side effects, or ignore the question of under-reporting, but it is important to be clear about the sources and quality of the research and data the correlations which are being made/suggested. Some of the research is for the birds and the actors promoting it are known political disruptors (aka anti-system nutters). The material is largely being pushed by the AFD, an extreme right party that none pf the other German parties will enter into a coalition with. And given that they have the Greens and neo-liberals in one, that says a lot. The supposedly courageous truth-telling BKK board member got fired after the info was found to be wrong. Truth and transparency are important, but this isn‘t it.

Your numbers seem suspect. There were at least 2 cases of myocarditis in the initial trial of 18000.

Looked through the paper and that is what is said Jim. It may not be an intuitive fit to the reports by Rotorheads here, but you can‘t make it say what it does not.

Perhaps there will be research to come showing a higher rate of reactions. But so far, the research and people promoting it have been discredited in short order. Is that a conspiracy? No. Just a rebuttal of rubbish research and false information.

That still doesn‘t mean that there isn‘t an issue. It just needs better data and more credible presentation.

Sorry to hear that you lost your career due to the covid vaccination Jayteetoo. But it must be reassuring to learn that officially there is no such thing as an adverse reaction and now they can't call you a swivel-eyed anti-vaxer, conspiracy theorist.

In uk, up to 23rd Nov, there were 2226 REPORTED cases of Myocarditis as side effects from vaccine

In addition, the vaccine has been REPORTED to have killed 2362 people in uk up to same date as above

Keep in mind the estimated under reporting percentage, add a zero to the end of the Myocarditis stats...

Is there an issue with reporting of serious side effects, at any or many levels? Reported experiences here suggests there might be. Sadly many of the actors flagging this as an issue are known to be unreliable and have repeatedly offered very poor evidence and have added (in some cases knowingly) to the confusion.

helicrazi, you didn‘t reference your deaths in the UK caused vaccine (?). Perhaps you could?

Could you be a little more specific with respect to the 2362 people killed?

Yes, in the link above, scroll to:

Reports with a fatal outcome

All info there wrt ADR's, I wont copy and paste as there is a lot of info and should be read in its entirety.

I see, you have summed the deaths in tables 11 & 12 to get the number.

The report is more circumspect though, stating the numbers are based on the reporter‘s (yellow card) opinion on causality. The problem of lack of control for pre-conditions is also mentioned. Saying the vaccines killed 2362 people is a bald Interpretation that the report doesn’t make.

Plus there is the question of relative risk, both for the individuals involved and the whole population. How many of those 2362 people would have died had they not been vaccinated/boosted? How many (more) people would have died had there been no vaccination programme? Vaccination is meant to provoke an immune response, so some side effects are to be expected. If you vaccinate very large numbers of people, there will almost inevitably be a small number of severe adverse reactions, and some of those will be fatal. Dreadful for those involved, but not really surprising. Of course if the proportion of those events is relatively high, then it means the vaccine/s are not safe/worth the risk.

The question is whether the side effects and consequences of vaccination with one or more vaccines represents a greater risk than the illness it is trying to mitigate. Clearly the health authorities don‘t think so. And given the number of Covid-related deaths I‘m not surprised. Covid also kills people. Some people try and play that down, but the evidence for that is so obvious that you virtually have to pole vault over the it*

And none of the above changes the impression of higher risk (of debilitating side effects) than officially reported that the posts by ppruners here makes. That is really concerning.

* UK deaths from Covid are at 2904 per million. The UK has a population of 68 million. Puts the relative risk into perspective wouldn‘t you say?

Now that Twitter censorship has been exposed (hopefully other big tech to follow) - more information and articles are emerging. The myocarditis issue is interesting and there have been a number of recent studies that show an anomaly. Here is one article: https://ravarora.substack.com/p/why-...5OtmeAdTIHGdEc

Don't bother to fact check the author as Google is still able to censor and disparage anyone not following the narrative - as eloquently explained here: https://brownstone.org/articles/how-...-ruined-lives/