Convert EASA ATPLH to UK ATPLH
 

Hello To all
One simple question to the forum......or maybe more than just one

Is it possible to convert/get a validation from EASA ATPLH to a UK ATPLH?

My understanding is that the first step is to get a UK Medical class 1. Is this correct?

Also, after this one what are the next steps?
Ive tried to read the UK CAA website for some info....but.....got overloaded with info.

Thanks to all

Happy landings

convert is very different to validation. You are basically validated already until the end of 2022 under a blanket approval. If you held your EASA licence before 2021 there is a streamlined (ish) process to convert to UK ATPL.

the first step is to read the following page and do what is says:

https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...alent-licence/

I wrote an article here which may help guide you through the licence and medical process:

EASA FCL to UK Part equivalent licence conversion

Strange one, you no longer have a EASA license you have a UK ATPL. The other point is that you must have the right to live and work in the UK to gain employment in the UK.

There is no longer such a thing as a U.K. issued EASA licence. Only a U.K. licence or an EASA licence.

Currently EASA licence holders can still fly G reg aircraft but the reverse sadly cannot be done.

LZ

While we have the experts here, my ATPLH is UK issued but says European Union on it - can I still use it as an EASA Licence until Dec 22?

Nope. There's 14 exams to do first

The same 14 exams it took to get it in the first place?

Yey. Don't forget the medical you already had, the ratings, the certification standards, the same rules....

It's bonkers.....................

Nonsense, if you held a UK issued EASA licence prior to 31st Dec 2020, (IE when the UK was a member state) you can convert to an EASA licence without taking any exams. Same going from EASA to UK, with a few exceptions.

If you SOLId out to another EASA state before end 2020 it was easy. If you had a non UK EASA licence before end 2020, getting a UK licence is easy but lengthy because the CAA is snowed under. Mine took 5 months from start to finish. At the moment getting EASA licence from UK is variable - the basics are 14 exams, medical, skills test, money. That said some countries are starting to make recognition noises and it may become simpler. Malta seems to be openish. Italy for previous Italian licence holders also. I’m doing Skills Test on an Italian this w/e to facilitate this.

rgds

does the UK CAA still have to turn a 6% profit in to the treasury ?

Hargreaves. No, you’re fine. Regardless of the wording you now have a UK issued national licence. As far as EASA is concerned it is a ‘third country licence’ so can’t be used on any non G reg ac.

rgds

Thanks, why on earth do the CAA make their "advice" so complicated?

Really?
https://www.easa.europa.eu/the-agenc...and-licensing-
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...0R0723&from=EN
https://info.caa.co.uk/uk-eu-transit...ercial-pilots/

Mmmmm. You’ve got me there!! Good luck with whatever you’re doing. Fwiw my newly issued CAA licence has identical wording to yours minus the EUROPEAN UNION. If you need a new printed bit (new rating, extension of privileges etc) you’ll have the same.

If you didn't SOLI out before 31/12/20 then you no longer have an EASA licence. Some EU states are less "stringent" in issuing EASA licences based on your UK licence, you just have to know which one to choose. If your TRE has both licences then he/she can validate your UK and EASA licence at the same time in one PC as long as the requirements don't drift too far apart which they shouldn't.

Yes really.

The CAA link you have quoted clearly states that non-UK EASA licences issued before the cutoff can be converted to UK licences.

The EU has published conversion rules (again it's all in the link you shared) stating what must be done. They've also said that it's up to individual states how that's interpreted.

The general interpretation is that if you passed the EASA ATPL examinations in the UK when it was a member state and they are still valid ​then those examinations meet that requirement and don't need to be retaken. The 7 year validity rule will be counted from the last EASA IR validity - effectively rendering all UK ATPL exams valid until 2028 at the latest. A victory for common sense.

Obviously any UK-only licences issued post-cutoff do not meet this requirement. The real victims at the moment are those who held a UK-issued EASA licence but who were grandfathered into EASA, since they never took the exams in the first place.

Which states interpret it like that? The ones I have asked (Netherlands/Germany/France) do not.

Malta for one.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....10f6ec9459.jpg

https://www.enac.gov.it/sicurezza-ae...-easa-part-fcl

Here’s Italy! My Italian colleague says it’s for previous holders of Italian licence.

Legend. Thanks for that.

That will be great news to some guys I know. The snag for some might be the need to be an EU citizen to get most of the EU pilot jobs that need the EASA licence but that's a fight for another day.

I hold an EASA licence and I'm in the process to obtain the UK CAA. I'm not currently flying in the UK but I would be interested in keeping it if an opportunity arises in the future. Should I first pass the initial class 1, or can I also start the conversion and provide the Class 1 later on once in my hands?

What are the requirements to maintain the CAA licence? May I lose the licence if I don't renew the class 1?

Thanks!

Medical requirements

Before we can issue a UK Part-FCL licence, the pilot must hold a UK PART-MED medical certificate with medical records held on the United Kingdom CAA Medical Records System. We are unable to accept EASA medical certificates.


This is from:

https://www.caa.co.uk/Commercial-ind...alent-licence/

Fantastic, thanks deltahotel!

Interesting that, after your earlier comments, I specifically looked at Malta as an example of what I can imagine might be a more 'flexible' regulator. However, what they publish does not match your comments unless they have changed their policies in the meantime: https://www.transport.gov.mt/PEL-67-...on-4.pdf-f6395

I guess it depends on whether you're a glass-is-half-full or a glass-is-half-empty kind of person? I interpret that document to mean they will honour pre-cutoff UK exam results. Here is the actual email I received from Transport Malta:
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....0f64ec1694.jpg
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....242950270b.jpg

Are you 100% sure that EASA licence holders can operate G reg? Will EASA holders after 2022 have to resit all 14 ATPL's again if they want to obtain a UK CAA license as well?

I might be one of those victims! I originally got my ATPL theory credit through a combination of a few EASA exams and military exemptions. This satisfied EASA's ATPL theoretical knowledge prior to Brexit. Under the above scheme, do you think someone like Malta would still insist on seeing 14 exam passes despite an individual already holding an ATPL that was fully EASA compliant until last year?

Who knows? You'd have thought that demonstrating that you held an EASA licence would be the same as showing them exam results, again it's all down to interpretation. I wouldn't give up until I'd tried every member state!

I am in a similar position, my UK issued ATPLH is up to date with a valid type rating (issued in Finland this year) - it seems that Malta would accept this and allow me to transfer my licence to their nation and let me fly EU registered aircraft.

Your UK issued EASA is now a UK licence.if you put any renewals onto it where you need to send it back to UK CAA it will come back without any mention of EASA printed onto it. You can currently fly only G reg aircraft on this licence. If you want an EASA licence aswell you have missed the cut off date to transfer but in the future this may change.( Theres a possibility to apply initial EASA through for instance with Malta,for a separate stand alone EASA licence based on previous taken ATPL exams) When you next renew your class one it will only have UK CAA printed onto it aswell .

justasmallfire - thanks for that :ok:

Thanks crab & rudestuff :ok:

There is one thing that I am not clear with the example of Malta, that is if you convert your UK license (as opposed to validate) will you loose your UK license or can you keep both if you are successful in the process?

You wouldn't be converting your licence. You would be using your U.K. licence to validate your experience for the issue of an EASA licence.

LZ

Yes, under validation until Dec 2022. Post this date who knows but why would you wait to find out? Perhaps if there are some mutual licensing agreements between the UK and the EU by 2023 then it may still be possible to get an EASA licence but judging by the freedoms, cabotage etc. that have been negotiated so far, I seriously doubt that this is going to happen anytime soon. As with all things EU, there are a lot of states that have to be in agreement and we have to accept that we are very much a third country in the eyes of EASA.