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H225 down in Korea
It would appear that an Airbus H225 has crashed into the ocean.
https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/art...newsIdx=278051 |
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Sad news and tragic for the families of those involved.
I think Airbus may have some difficult questions to answer - again. |
Police officers were watching the chopper after takeoff because it began to fly unsteadily at a low altitude and in a skewed direction. They said the helicopter crashed after flying about 200 meters |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 10608793)
I know we love to theorise, take off with no stab engaged? What is the handling like on the 225 in that case?
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Originally Posted by HeliComparator
(Post 10608846)
Pretty wobbly, just like any other helicopter (without a stabiliser bar). But with the 225 you engage the autopilot after start and leave it engaged until you are going to shut down. Or at least that’s what you should do!
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A "finger fault" disconnecting the SAS is easy to imagine, but a SAR crew crashing an aircraft after take off at VMC and no turbulence is very, very surprising...
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Midnight after the sliver moon had already set, shoreline helipad into the inky black. Nothing VMC about it. Should have been routine for a SAR crew, so something went sideways. |
They found the fuselage and are attempting to recover the crew/passengers... any news if the rotor and top case landed with the rest of the aircraft?
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Originally Posted by malabo
(Post 10609174)
Midnight after the sliver moon had already set, shoreline helipad into the inky black. Nothing VMC about it. Should have been routine for a SAR crew, so something went sideways. :ugh: |
Originally Posted by SplineDrive
(Post 10609185)
They found the fuselage and are attempting to recover the crew/passengers... any news if the rotor and top case landed with the rest of the aircraft?
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...-off-disputed/ |
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Further update dragging lumps of parts to the surface.
2 bodies from crashed Dokdo chopper retrieved - The Korea Herald |
Originally Posted by SplineDrive
(Post 10609185)
They found the fuselage and are attempting to recover the crew/passengers... any news if the rotor and top case landed with the rest of the aircraft?
Even with all the gizmos on board Occam's Razor would give a clear direction where this will be going. Whatever the detailed circumstances will have been. |
"Seven passengers were aboard: one person with a cut finger, five rescue officers and a friend of the injured person."
I'm gobsmacked. A night SAR deployment for somebody with a cut finger. Surely not. |
Originally Posted by gulliBell
(Post 10609817)
"Seven passengers were aboard: one person with a cut finger, five rescue officers and a friend of the injured person."
I'm gobsmacked. A night SAR deployment for somebody with a cut finger. Surely not. |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 10609848)
The first article said a severed thumb, but still in no way justifying a night MEDEVAC! |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 10609848)
The first article said a severed thumb, but still in no way justifying a night MEDEVAC! skadi |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 10609848)
The first article said a severed thumb, but still in no way justifying a night MEDEVAC! |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10609967)
It doesn't surprise me. In my (pre-NVG) SAR days I was called to more than a few highly exaggerated, allegedly "life or death" cases. One involved going single pilot to a wire infested, unlit site in the hills on a moonless night to rescue a drunk who turned out to have a relatively minor cut on his hand, self induced on a broken beer bottle. Another involved a jungle landing to a soldier with an alleged broken spine. Having risked the aircraft and crew, the patient walked out normally with the rest of his platoon and climbed on the aircraft unaided. A third involved rescuing a "very seriously ill" sailor some 85 miles offshore from a fishing boat. On reaching him, he was stiff as a board and had obviously died the day before. We were probably called to avoid the boat having to dock or continue trying to fish with a cadaver on board, the latter being considered a bad omen. |
Shy, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you. :E
Time critical, life changing, though not life threatening. I'd expect this to be a GO for a specialist SAR aircraft. |
https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20191104002700315
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6ec34ffbc0.jpg The main rotor is there... |
And in the right place... From the damage to the blades they were still rotating fast on impact.
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But what about the tail rotor? That sad sight suffered one hell of an impact, nose first by the looks of it.
No tail boom. Before or during impact sequence? |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10610456)
But what about the tail rotor? That sad sight suffered one hell of an impact, nose first by the looks of it.
No tail boom. Before or during impact sequence? |
It looks like what (not clear what you mean)?
It looks like the MR blades were still being driven at impact |
It looks like what (not clear what you mean)? suffered one hell of an impact, nose first by the looks of it |
Thanks, understood. It would be disappointing if recovery caused such catastrophic damage.
Looking even closer at that depressing image it looks like the cockpit might have hit the water travelling from right to left and the impact forces completely detached it. Unless I'm mistaking a paint colour change, there also appears to be fire damage to the rear of the fuselage; obviously it wouldn't have burned underwater.... |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10610583)
... it looks like the cockpit might have hit the water travelling from right to left and the impact forces completely detached it.
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 10610456)
But what about the tail rotor? That sad sight suffered one hell of an impact, nose first by the looks of it.
No tail boom. Before or during impact sequence? Taking this together with the circumstances of visibility at the time of the crash, I don't expect much of a surprise... |
Originally Posted by Concentric
(Post 10610598)
Or met the rotor coming the other way.
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Originally Posted by henra
(Post 10610752)
Looking at the damage (Cockpit section longitudinally crushed) this thing went in straight and fast with solid engine power turning the rotor at impact. Not spinning. And with enormous RoD.
Taking this together with the circumstances of visibility at the time of the crash, I don't expect much of a surprise... |
Some pictorial info on the location in this link. I presume it lifted from the helideck on top of the rock. It didn't get very far.
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Similarities with this accident, night, TO over water.
https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/62...ight=139+crash |
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 10609848)
The first article said a severed thumb, but still in no way justifying a night MEDEVAC! |
The patient was said to be a fisherman, so a working thumb might be a useful thing to have.
Now reporting that a third body has been located, perhaps, it is said, the same one that they dropped when lifting the fuselage. |
The 139 Bahamas, 505 crash Kenya, I don't get the resigned "no surprise" connection, as if any night takeoff without a visible horizon is doomed. 30 years of offshore and medevac and the thousands of pilots I flew with handled it routine and safe. The EC225 is a very capable aircraft for that role and situation, probably the best. And flown by a SAR crew, which in my experience is better qualified, trained and experienced for those types of missions than anyone else, including offshore pilots. Good crews can make mistakes too, witness the Irish S92 SAR crew even with the FLIR operator gently tapping them on the back. And sorry to disappoint all the EC225 bashers that the tranny and head were still intact, maybe it's time to get over all that and move on. The 92 guys did.
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Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 10610764)
so why no crush damage and deformation aft of the cockpit?
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I don't get the resigned "no surprise" connection |
Video posted in post #34 says there was video of the crash? At 1:23 is that the heli-pad on top of that island? By the comments about the tail being 90 m away from the fuselage and 2 bodies found near the tail would that suggest that the tail was chopped off in flight? Violent control inputs?
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