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H225 down in Korea

Old 1st Nov 2019, 11:57
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H225 down in Korea

It would appear that an Airbus H225 has crashed into the ocean.

https://m.koreatimes.co.kr/pages/art...newsIdx=278051
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Old 1st Nov 2019, 12:55
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Fuselage found and one body recovered so far.

https://en.yna.co.kr/view/AEN20191101000955315
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 05:49
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Sad news and tragic for the families of those involved.

I think Airbus may have some difficult questions to answer - again.
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 06:49
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Police officers were watching the chopper after takeoff because it began to fly unsteadily at a low altitude and in a skewed direction. They said the helicopter crashed after flying about 200 meters
I know we love to theorise, take off with no stab engaged? What is the handling like on the 225 in that case?
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I know we love to theorise, take off with no stab engaged? What is the handling like on the 225 in that case?
Pretty wobbly, just like any other helicopter (without a stabiliser bar). But with the 225 you engage the autopilot after start and leave it engaged until you are going to shut down. Or at least that’s what you should do!
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 12:53
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Originally Posted by HeliComparator View Post
Pretty wobbly, just like any other helicopter (without a stabiliser bar). But with the 225 you engage the autopilot after start and leave it engaged until you are going to shut down. Or at least that’s what you should do!
You´re right - but depending on experience, finger trouble, not only disconnecting the upper modes - but all of the stabilization, is a possible scenario?
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 14:39
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A "finger fault" disconnecting the SAS is easy to imagine, but a SAR crew crashing an aircraft after take off at VMC and no turbulence is very, very surprising...
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Midnight after the sliver moon had already set, shoreline helipad into the inky black. Nothing VMC about it. Should have been routine for a SAR crew, so something went sideways.
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They found the fuselage and are attempting to recover the crew/passengers... any news if the rotor and top case landed with the rest of the aircraft?
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 17:59
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Originally Posted by malabo View Post
Midnight after the sliver moon had already set, shoreline helipad into the inky black. Nothing VMC about it. Should have been routine for a SAR crew, so something went sideways.
You are correct. I have misread the takeoff hour. Happens sometimes when reading at commuting...
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Old 2nd Nov 2019, 20:35
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Originally Posted by SplineDrive View Post
They found the fuselage and are attempting to recover the crew/passengers... any news if the rotor and top case landed with the rest of the aircraft?
News report here

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/worl...-off-disputed/
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Further update dragging lumps of parts to the surface.
2 bodies from crashed Dokdo chopper retrieved - The Korea Herald
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 11:36
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Originally Posted by SplineDrive View Post
They found the fuselage and are attempting to recover the crew/passengers... any news if the rotor and top case landed with the rest of the aircraft?
Looking at the circumstances I would bet so. Takeoff from a lighted helipad into the pitch black night over sea. End of flight just 2 minutes after takeoff.
Even with all the gizmos on board Occam's Razor would give a clear direction where this will be going. Whatever the detailed circumstances will have been.
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"Seven passengers were aboard: one person with a cut finger, five rescue officers and a friend of the injured person."

I'm gobsmacked. A night SAR deployment for somebody with a cut finger. Surely not.
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Originally Posted by gulliBell View Post
"Seven passengers were aboard: one person with a cut finger, five rescue officers and a friend of the injured person."

I'm gobsmacked. A night SAR deployment for somebody with a cut finger. Surely not.
The first article said a severed thumb, but still in no way justifying a night MEDEVAC!
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 16:12
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Originally Posted by 212man View Post

The first article said a severed thumb, but still in no way justifying a night MEDEVAC!
Not sure, but I doubt there is any differentiation between day and night for a flight like that, usually only weather. They should be well prepared to fly in the dark. Also, there are certain protocols that are followed by first responders called "quality of life". Nobody is going to die from a severed thumb, etc, but if a timely flight is the only way reattaching an appendage is possible, air is called. I don't make the rules.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 17:27
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Originally Posted by 212man View Post

The first article said a severed thumb, but still in no way justifying a night MEDEVAC!
Disagree! The outcome of a replantation is the earlier the better the patient is in an approbiate traumacenter. A thumb is not a part of your body you could easily renounce for manual work force, especially if you are of younger age.

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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 17:36
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The first article said a severed thumb, but still in no way justifying a night MEDEVAC!
It doesn't surprise me. In my (pre-NVG) SAR days I was called to more than a few highly exaggerated, allegedly "life or death" cases. One involved going single pilot to a wire infested, unlit site in the hills on a moonless night to rescue a drunk who turned out to have a relatively minor cut on his hand, self induced on a broken beer bottle. Another involved a jungle landing to a soldier with an alleged broken spine. Having risked the aircraft and crew, the patient walked out normally with the rest of his platoon and climbed on the aircraft unaided. A third involved rescuing a "very seriously ill" sailor some 85 miles offshore from a fishing boat. On reaching him, he was stiff as a board and had obviously died the day before. We were probably called to avoid the boat having to dock or continue trying to fish with a cadaver on board, the latter being considered a bad omen.
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Old 3rd Nov 2019, 21:01
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It doesn't surprise me. In my (pre-NVG) SAR days I was called to more than a few highly exaggerated, allegedly "life or death" cases. One involved going single pilot to a wire infested, unlit site in the hills on a moonless night to rescue a drunk who turned out to have a relatively minor cut on his hand, self induced on a broken beer bottle. Another involved a jungle landing to a soldier with an alleged broken spine. Having risked the aircraft and crew, the patient walked out normally with the rest of his platoon and climbed on the aircraft unaided. A third involved rescuing a "very seriously ill" sailor some 85 miles offshore from a fishing boat. On reaching him, he was stiff as a board and had obviously died the day before. We were probably called to avoid the boat having to dock or continue trying to fish with a cadaver on board, the latter being considered a bad omen.
Ah, memory lane. "And here I was..."
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