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jimf671 15th Nov 2019 15:08


Originally Posted by Hompy (Post 10619108)
Yet again people died in an EC225 ... ...

Not entirely happy with your intro there but maybe it's just the times we live in.

We all have an ambition for everyone to be safe in the air and it's right to want the H225 to never have another accident. However, I think that in this age of easy mass communications and easy access to news we can lose sight of the historical context. Sometimes it seems like what happened before the internet never happened. In terms of helicopter fatalities, large rotorcraft that have been in widespread service for 15 years and done hundreds of thousands of flying hours but only had a couple of dozen fatalities are an outstanding new feature of the helicopter market. So that would be the Airbus H225 and the Sikorsky S-92. Let's not forget the thousands of people who died in accidents in other large rotorcraft down the years (some models of which are still around and still having fatal accidents at an unacceptable rate). Think too about the many people who are alive today who might have been dead if Airbus had not produced the H225 and Sikorsky had not produced the S-92.

Onwards and upwards.

Hompy 15th Nov 2019 18:46


Originally Posted by Shell Management (Post 10619252)
Hompy - neat move there seizing the moral high ground and then dumping your own biases as an aside. Classy.

No moral high ground here but interesting you think I dumped any bias because I really couldn’t give a t8##! I just don’t like pilots/engineers/crewman or families of dead people suffering because some idiot has to massage their ego instead of getting a decent hobby, is all.

Variable Load 15th Nov 2019 19:59


Originally Posted by Hompy (Post 10619402)
No moral high ground here but interesting you think I dumped any bias because I really couldn’t give a t8##! I just don’t like pilots/engineers/crewman or families of dead people suffering because some idiot has to massage their ego instead of getting a decent hobby, is all.

Don't fret things Hompy, SM has deep well-aged biases in favour of AS/ECF/Airbus products. He would much rather you find fault with pilots, as that fits nicely with his pre-conceived ideas of risk :ugh:

megan 16th Nov 2019 02:57

Well, well, Shelly is back. We've missed the three years of no comedy you regularly provided in your various analysis of safety issues. Take no notice of the prat Hompy.

DOUBLE BOGEY 16th Nov 2019 06:26


Originally Posted by Hompy (Post 10619402)
No moral high ground here but interesting you think I dumped any bias because I really couldn’t give a t8##! I just don’t like pilots/engineers/crewman or families of dead people suffering because some idiot has to massage their ego instead of getting a decent hobby, is all.

Hompy, to be fair to all the helicopters, (Birds!.........eeeew), many perfectly serviceable ones have been sent for an early bath by our brethren for a whole variety of reasons. Mostly **** training before hand or a copilot paralysed by lack of procedures and intervention policies.

so when a “Bird”.......eeeeew, goes in at night shortly after take off it’s as fair an assumption as any........until that image of the tail boom appeared on the thread. Oh how the old hill of hindsight makes everything and everyone that went before seem inept.

i think the current armchair thesis is.....”The tail fell off”

Jdbelo 21st Nov 2019 11:31

Any news about preliminary report?

HeliComparator 21st Nov 2019 12:21


Originally Posted by Hompy (Post 10619108)
Yet again people died in an EC225 and still we have armchair experts jumping to conclusions and most likely being proved wrong, again. I have heard the ‘it’s ok to speculate’ argument time and time again. When people are dead and their bodies are missing it just is not ok to speculate that it was likely to be two of the dead’s fault until there is at least some evidence to back that up. Two of you armchair warriors already have form if anybody cares to look at the Norwegian 225 thread. Maybe I should speculate and imply that you are receiving payment from Airbus to influence opinion on this public forum? I don’t believe that, but what has been implied here is worse. You denigrate the professions involved here with your pathetic amateur sleuth work!


Check the title. This is a rumour forum. It sounds to me like it’s not a suitable forum for you to read. Never mind, there are plenty of others.

Crewjuice 31st Jan 2020 23:51

Anyone know if a preliminary report has been issued yet? Any official statements? It's been very quiet since the accident and no information to find on the web. Surely there must be causes the South Korean Accident Investigation Board has ruled out that should be shared with the public.

pitchlink1 10th Feb 2020 13:14


Originally Posted by Crewjuice (Post 10676734)
Anyone know if a preliminary report has been issued yet? Any official statements? It's been very quiet since the accident and no information to find on the web. Surely there must be causes the South Korean Accident Investigation Board has ruled out that should be shared with the public.

The silence is remarkable - not a preliminary report after close to 4 months must indicate they have found nothing so far - and that even with recovered CVR and FDR.

JoeCool88 3rd Mar 2020 11:33

The silence indeed is remarkable. If we consider a pilots error the clean cut off of the tailboom does not fit into this picture. The fact that Airbus seems totally relaxed shows that most probably there is no problem caused by the design of the h/c, nor by material fatigue. The (only) explanation remaining which makes sense is a connection between the accident and the maintenance which was done some weeks before the crash. Where a missing good torque of the bolts of the airframe - tailboom junction could perfectly explain the clean cut of the tailboom, too. Taking all this together with a far eastern mentality where an individual never does something wrong you'll maybe find the reason for the silence.

Twist & Shout 3rd Mar 2020 21:45


Originally Posted by JoeCool88 (Post 10701490)
The silence indeed is remarkable. If we consider a pilots error the clean cut off of the tailboom does not fit into this picture. The fact that Airbus seems totally relaxed shows that most probably there is no problem caused by the design of the h/c, nor by material fatigue.# The (only) explanation remaining which makes sense is a connection between the accident and the maintenance which was done some weeks before the crash. Where a missing good torque of the bolts of the airframe - tailboom junction could perfectly explain the clean cut of the tailboom*, too. Taking all this together with a far eastern mentality where an individual never does something wrong you'll maybe find the reason for the silence.

# Assuming Airbus isn’t a morally bankrupt organization.
* History would suggest: Airbus would be very vocal about this explanation. They were in a previous EC225 fatal crash. Even the fact that it wasn’t a maintenance issue didn’t stop them.




JoeCool88 4th Mar 2020 10:00

South East Asia region looks like the last market for non military brand new H225 h/c. Being Airbus, would you bite the last civil hand which feeds you?

Crewjuice 5th Jan 2021 07:06

Korea National 119 Rescue is receiving a factory new S-92 for firefighting and search & rescue missions. Is this a sign of distrust in the H225 following the accident in 2019? Still haven't seen an accident report. Anyone else?

JoeCool88 5th Jan 2021 11:01


Originally Posted by Crewjuice (Post 10960858)
Korea National 119 Rescue is receiving a factory new S-92 for firefighting and search & rescue missions. Is this a sign of distrust in the H225 following the accident in 2019? Still haven't seen an accident report. Anyone else?

A while ago I was in contact with someone from www.aviation-safety.net , they have the H225 HL9619 as occurance 230316 in their data base. He said that it is not unusual that an accident investigation takes some two years in South Corea. Corean Aviation and Railway Accident Investigation Board (ARAIB, www.araib.molit.go.kr ) is in charge. As the h/c recently had maintenance, the tailboom was separated razor sharp from frame 9900 and the TR was not turning anymore when it hit the sea. I have my own theory about what happened.


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