Crab I don’t think the crew are cowboys. They just pushed too far and that is a mistake. My experience has nothing to do with it. Not done SAR or SF. Never claimed this. However the ground is hard and the weather is the same for all of us. It’s a bit harsh to attack my credentials without you knowing who and what I am or have done. But maybe you read my public profile as I don’t hide or pretend to be anything special. Like I said I respect your defending this position. If I screw up I would appreciate the support of someone like you. Just try to see it for what it was. You suggest as much in your other posts. No need for us to regress back to our Neanderthal default positions.

chopjock, I agree, in this circumstances the road is the safest extraction but this debate is about getting there and ending up with that as the only option. Rules and limits are there to protect us and hopefully stop us pushing on when maybe we should take a time out so we expressly do not end up risking ourselves and third parties.

‘In this respect only, the crew, in my view have got themselves in a stickier situation than when sticky the stick insect got stuck on a stick. Good on them for surviving the experience. I am sure they learned from it.

DB

Homie....there is life beyond the confines of the small island you live on.....like the entire rest of the World.

There are places that have far more challenging flying conditions and terrain than your country.

Add in the rest of the World to your Stats and tell us how that affects your calculations!

Take a look at the American Northwest, Canada, and Alaska....for a start.

Ahh the great SAS has decreed and Crab agrees. I therefore must conclude that I am wrong and have been all along. So Rotorheads, apparently it is perfectly OK to fly along public roads (edges), in the weedisphere in fog. The more important your job is, apparently the more acceptable this kind of flying will be. OM limits.....Pah! They don’t matter. Rules and Regs.....apparently for “inexperienced pilots........like me”

So now I realise what a knob I have been, not realising that I was wrong to be “morally outraged” when clearly taxpayers money can be spent and expended without question or accountability I will withdraw and leave this subject to the “experts” like Crab.

Good luck in the fog....sadly 35 years of fear and inexperience will cause me not to be with you. Like a massive Jessy that I clearly am I will be above you IFR with at least 1,000 feet between me and the ground, or worse somewhere else at my OM min height in approved VFR conditions. Sadly due to my chronic “inexperience” if the weather starts to look like it might go below my limits I am such a wus I have to turn around or land.

My only hope is that fog does not suddenly fall on top of me like wot happened here, especially if I planned carefully and had good tafs and stuff. Still I only have about 17k hours so maybe not enough exposure yet for this to happen.

Same Gain, speak for yourself only and save the passive aggressive attitude.

Come now children, play nice and put the toys back in the pram.
Why the outrage that someone disagrees with you, are you all so desperate to be proven right or to feel validated in your personal views?
This has really become an incredibly dull peeing contest.
If the crew is as professional as claimed they will have a long and productive career, if not they will leave a smoking hole somewhere.
Nothing to be seen here.

Ah well maybe I walked into that one and happy to please!

Ex matelot you are way off the mark.