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All I see is a “weather balloon”................ |
Gents, the subtle glorification of a truly **** bit of airmanship is a risk to our brethren on ROTORHEAD with low skills a high egos. There are no circumstances acceptable EVER to fly in such a manner as to risk the safety of your aircraft or crew |
There is a time and place for everything.....and without knowing the full circumtances....how does one properly judge?
If the route was known to be free of obstructions and it was the Pass that was fogged in and better conditions were at each end...the controlling rules afforded dispensation for the flight in such conditions....then what is the problem? If it was a "special" flight....then don't we want the crew to have the expertise, experience, and proficiency to carry out their Tasking? As we do not know....and are not going to know....then there should not be a very crowded "Outrage" Bus. it's a bunch of miltary types you wouldn't want to meet on a dark night... Certainly not the kind of folk you wish to have any kind of feud with! |
Well said Crab! I want my special forces that protect me to be the best most experienced and capable in the world. |
Crab.....I doubt very much that flying through Cumbria constitutes a viable military response. Even if it did.......never risk the cab and crew. I too have served my time, mil, HEMS ETC. There are rules....even in the military....that expressly prevent such activity and you know that Crab! But hey...let’s all wave our Willy’s about. |
Best to bear in mind that even if "our chaps" didn't train to fly in very poor visibility to get certain missions done, the other side will.
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Shy....there are rules to prevent the young, dumb and full of c*m from self destructing. We are not at war! they are flying in less than 50m vis. Suicide unless Lady Luck holds your hand. |
We are not at war! Some Folks are always prepared at very short notice to confront evil nose to nose! |
SAS I prefer “Train Hard.....Fight Easy” However there has to be limits and common sense! |
Takes me back to Odius in the early eighties. Happy hour on Friday night, thick, thick fog then heard the sound of a Puma. All went quiet. 10 mins later, LB and crew hurtled through the bar window looking for a beer. No one was quite sure how they'd done it, and they didn't say.
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But why would you want to hover taxi in that ? |
We are not at war! Tomorrow, maybe... |
If you want to practice it for real,then close the public roads and f*&k about to satisfy your ego..In this case if a family were driving along there,and had an accident due to the startle effect,lapse in concentration,whatever,then who would be to blame...?HO(OLI)GANS Heroes...?
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Train hard yes. However if this was training being so close to members of the public so as to put them at risk is not acceptable. Go do it in Otterburn. Any dash cam in general use contains a wide angle lens. This is clearly the case therefore the aircraft and rotor blades will be closer than they look.... and being able to hear it pass on the audio backs this up. I wonder how the cyclist who was overtaken at the start of the clip felt a few seconds later. Might downwash have blown him across a greasy wet road into the oncoming car.... just a bit of perspective. Of course if it was for tasking then fair enough. Can’t imagine it is though. Being a twin IFR cab though a high level transit of the lakes might be best. All just food for thought.
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No one hurt, no property damaged, so why all the hurry to get on the Outrage Bus....how were any of you harmed by any of this? The aircraft was clear of the roadway.... no wires close by....after all it wasn’t a Purple Flight or a Charter. |
There are no excuses for flying like this along a public road. When you work in the Military, Police or HEMS you are supposed to add value. In my view this crew will be young and inexperienced. That’s proven by the **** decision they are making and the real hero’s, the boys in the back, are along for the ride whether they agree or otherwise. I have made similar mistakes and also survived. However they are mistakes. My original post is aimed at recognising this incident for what it really is........a bad decision and poor airmanship. It’s a mistake to tar the SAS themselves with this as they are not at the controls. |
In my view this crew will be young and inexperienced. |
So when I pulled an injured bike rider off a mountain in thick fog on the TT races and transported a dying soldier to hospital with my skids on the ground to get over hills, those were mistakes, were they? sometimes you just gotta have a go (within your capabilities).
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Paco you are describing HEMS. There are minimum vis and cloud base rules in the SPA and they do not allow flight in thick fog.....so not only mistakes but blatant disregard for the rules. The number 1 priority in any medical emergency is to not become a casualty yourself. The SPA contains limits to stop the gung-ho from killing themselves and any other poor sap they take with the. IOM TT HEMS.......subject to same EASA rules as everyone else. in the case of IOM TT a road response is a few minutes away. The rider knows and has accepted the risks. Your crew deserve better. They deserve and should expect you to make an effort to follow the rules. NEXT! |
I see professionals going about their business. Legally.
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