Squeaks and Brother...

I’ve read the disclaimer at the top of the page and it says “pprune”, part of which I believe means rumour.

Even if there is a rumour of logos I can give you fact, no logos on seats no logos painted on the aircraft.

Hi Wrecker

nothing to do with overrun mate, you should stop listening the voices in your head. while chucking stones, you might want to check your aircraft, you may not know what you dont know

The brave new business model seems to relay on one “dinosaur company”* covering SAR, and another doing rig flights for them, while the “leaders” in the race to the bottom remind the client how cheap they are.

Or are these facts voices in my head?

* previously referred to as capable, professional, complient, etc

The issue with the aircraft stuck offshore is due to a Sikorsky manufacturing non-conformance on the pump splines. Sikorsky doesn't seem to think it's a major issue, but certain people in CASA are making a big show of it...

Correct rrekn and all aircraft are now back in Broome following the approval of Sikorsky and CASA.

I hope BRS and CHC have checked their 92s.

Why did the aircraft have to wait until there was approval from Sikorsky and CASA to get back to Broome? As I understand it (admittedly from this thread) the aircraft were grounded by their own company. Given the chamfer characteristic is widely understood not to be a safety-of-flight issue, what does this have to do with BRS and CHC?

I’m not sure.
Maybe trying to deflect the embarrassment caused by BRS and CHC doing the flights HNZ were contracted (oh so cheaply) to do?

The brave new world “budget” model may not work so well when the premium providers are forced from the market by the race to the bottom, and no longer able to step in to get the job done.

Getting the job actually done, doesn’t seem to be a priority anymore. Not something worth paying extra for.:ugh:

Along with complying with the country’s Aviation regulations, it’s become second to “cheap”. :mad:

It’s amazing that winching without correct approval, or whatever has caused the extensive SAR contract delay, wasn’t stopped by “Bow ties”, “step back 5” or the wearing of hi vis vests!:yuk:

It will inevitably come back and bite someone in the a*se sooner or later, then there will be a witch-hunt to find a scapegoat.

Let's just hope it doesn't come at the cost of a life or lives that would have been saved if a competent operator had the contract.

Twisty

I wasnt going to comment but you blokes are making me laugh so much i cant get to sleep for my early shift. PHI and HNZ, both in business 60 years incapable of providing sar and BRS the only ones who know what they are doing? and pay extra to get the job done? maybe that's why BRS is losing all its work.

Crab

this a basically a repeat of your last post, are you ok or do you need to the clock test?

because some of us think it is actually quite important and the company you say is competent, still ISN'T providing the contracted service.

I hope you are still laughing when someone ditches and needs SAR cover at night.

What is the contracted service Crab?

As I understand it the contract is to provide AWSAR.

At the moment I don’t think it matters what the requirements are. They aren’t providing anything remotely SAR like.

Insider - if you remember way back at the start of this thread.....HNZ’s own press release from Don Wall, President and Chief Executive Officer of HNZ Group said -
“We are very excited to expand our S-92 operations in Broome to include full all-weather search and rescue services.”

So apparently the contracted service is for full all weather search and rescue.

You may have to scroll back some time in the thread as the “very excited” Mr Wall made that statement in May. I wonder how thrilled he is now?

As I'm reliably informed by a mate next door, BRS would have had 24/7 AWSAR in place by now. Which was certainly something I was looking forward to having available, given the number of offshore flights we are doing, to effectively the middle of nowhere, cyclone season almost upon us and thousands of workers offshore.


As anyone who has crewed 24/7 AWSAR in the past will know it is 10 times more involved and difficult than LIMSAR, given the requirements for a bunch of gap analysis, risk assessments, CASA manual approvals and CASA exemptions etc. If HNZ are struggling to get day only LIMSAR up and running some 6 months late they will be in for a big shock when they move onto AWSAR, it just ain't easy and nor should it be, compared to offshore flights it has a significantly higher risk profile.


It can take months just to get exemptions trough CASA legal and then parliament, which cant be submitted until all manuals, training material etc is fully CASA approved. I cant see the service being available until the back end of next year, which is a shame. If there is anytime its needed that time is now, as Crab rightly points out we just have to hope that no ditching occurs on one of the later afternoon runs, a man overboard offshore at night or a serious injury on one of the many support vessels without a helideck.


Personally I don't like leaving things to chance.....anyway here's hoping!! :(

Those days are long gone....

You can debate whether HNZ are capable of providing the service. What is fact is they are relying on others to provide the service currently. Even had CHC providing basic Rig day transfers in the last few days, I understand. (Due the S92 issue)

As far as “paying extra to get the job done”.
Surely the client has paid (the “new era” cheap) price to get the job done(SAR and transfers). When HNZ can’t do it (temporarily we would assume), someone is paying (extra) BRS and CHC to do it.

Is the Broome operation/contracts unique in having an AWSAR requirement?
Of all the offshore locations I've worked, plus those of pilots who I've trained, not one of those gigs had an AWSAR requirement. Limited night offshore MEDEVAC capability was the maximum extent of any requirement, no SAR, no winching, nothing. Just fly out to the rig/s at night under IFR weather and recover a patient to shore. The offshore workers understood this, that's why they're on the big bucks.

Because your only source of [questionable] information is Pprune.

They have trained several for the contract in Broome, but why anyone would ask for as little experience as possible............???

:ugh:

yes, of course it is.............................:ugh:

You know the internet is bigger than just PPrune, right?

I couldn't agree more Hookesjoint. Whilst the capabilities of the modern aircraft we're seeing nowadays makes overwater SAR at night & in adverse weather a much safer thing than in the past, it's still nothing to be taken lightly as has been sadly demonstrated by the loss of R116 in March (& I'm not for a moment suggesting the ICC took their job lightly)
I sincerely hope that all players keep their focus on what's important & that's staying safe out there!

Gullibell,

Shell has full AWSAR cover now on a number of its operations, Gulf of Mexico and Brunei being two examples.

Wrong Crab, no awsar until next year. You dont know this area so funny how you are such an expert sitting in England.

Twisty

inpex uses HNZ and BRS as helicopter companies so while BRS covers limsar we are covering more offshore runs which they would be doing. So i don't think it costs extra for BRS to do limsar.

Slightly off topic and apologies for that but with this many Aus experts, who is flying the Chevron work in the GAB at the moment? I heard a couple of rumours about that too.

NWS, from Friday's ABC online

So I don't think anyone is or will be flying it.

II, thank you Sir. I heard Babcock had it but that wasn't so much of a rumour as a press release that was publicly announced...! Fail on my part. And there was me thinking I had some gossip...

Statoil are still saying they will drill before the end of 2019...

good point I reckon they would be well into decommissioning by the time HNZ would be ready to go!!:ugh:;)

so the logical thing to do would be to dump HNZ and use BRS for transfers AND you would get AWSAR as well. :E

Are you confident that BRS have the ability to hold a genuine AWSAR service out of Broome?

Crab why would i dump the company that i work for? until this year BRS had the whole contract anyway.

The water is warm, not sure why they'd need an AWSAR capability. In Bass Strait the water is cold: for almost 50 years Esso has never had a night SAR capability, or all-WX day capability for that matter. This must be a new-age Shell driven thing.

Esso do now...

Apparently you can still drown in warm water....................................

Esso have a night AWSAR capability? I don't think so....if you're talking about the CHC contract to cover the Esso SAR requirement, that is 5 days per week, daytime only, right? As far as I know, if an Esso crew gets called out at night, and the unfortunate should happen and they end up floating on the tide, they continue floating until day break.

HNZ Deal
 

https://www.baytoday.ca/business/hnz...rations-753680

HNZ Group chief executive and PHI to acquire company and split up operations


MONTREAL — HNZ Group Inc. (TSX:HNZ) is proposing a $242.4-million deal for its CEO acquire the international helicopter company and then sell its offshore operations in Australia, New Zealand, Philippines and Papua New Guinea to PHI Inc.

MONTREAL — HNZ Group Inc. (TSX:HNZ) is proposing a $242.4-million deal for its CEO acquire the international helicopter company and then sell its offshore operations in Australia, New Zealand, Philippines and Papua New Guinea to PHI Inc.

Under the agreement announced Tuesday, HNZ shareholders will receive $18.70 per share — 43 per cent above Monday's closing price at the Toronto Stock Exchange.


HNZ, which provides helicopter and related services, says its operations in Canada, the United States and Antarctica would remain with the company under the leadership of chief executive Don Wall.

The deal requires approval by a two-thirds majority vote by shareholders and a simple majority vote by shareholders excluding Wall.

It is also subject to court approval and other customary closing conditions.

HNZ shares closed up 15 cents at $13.05 on the Toronto Stock Exchange on Monday.

Just leave this here.

MONTREAL — HNZ Group Inc. (TSX:HNZ) is proposing a $242.4-million deal for its CEO acquire the international helicopter company and then sell its offshore operations in Australia, New Zealand, Philippines and Papua New Guinea to PHI Inc

and the new owner is



PHI