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etudiant 22nd Nov 2016 23:32

Actually I'd say this thread has come to a plausible conclusion.
The AH fix for the 225 is sufficiently suspect to keep the type out of high intensity commercial service, but is adequate to give good confidence for much lower time military operations. The 225 continues to sell only to military operators.
Given the current state of the oil patch, demand there is still a good ways from recovery, so AH has time to come up with either a successor model or with a more convincing fix to the 225.

roundwego 23rd Nov 2016 00:30

Don't kid yourselves. The O & G companies will secretly be desperate to get the 225's back in service because they know that the next accident will be a S92 (because that makes up 99% of the existing helicopter capacity). If it is a technical failure which it could well be and they are forced to ground it they will be up the creek without a paddle.

tottigol 23rd Nov 2016 23:04

But then Bell's new wonder machine shall be ready to go.
And the AW239 of course.

jimf671 23rd Nov 2016 23:58

A new type will of course solve all the world's problems. I shall put aside time in my diary for reading the 600 posts on that subject.

Lonewolf_50 24th Nov 2016 04:24


But then Bell's new wonder machine shall be ready to go.
Which one? V-280 Valor or 525 Relentless?

casper64 24th Nov 2016 20:19


Originally Posted by tottigol (Post 9587883)
But then Bell's new wonder machine shall be ready to go.

Last thing I heard: it crashed... 😬unless you mean the new jet ranger?

jimf671 25th Nov 2016 23:59


Originally Posted by roundwego (Post 9586867)
Don't kid yourselves. The O & G companies will secretly be desperate to get the 225's back in service because they know that the next accident will be a S92 (because that makes up 99% of the existing helicopter capacity). If it is a technical failure which it could well be and they are forced to ground it they will be up the creek without a paddle.


Remember where you heard it first. :ooh:

North Sea helicopter in emergency landing at Sumburgh - BBC News

Geoffersincornwall 26th Nov 2016 08:05

Jim

Don't worry, the AW139 and AW189 will ride to the rescue in those areas where they have the legs. Where capacity is short you can aways increase the number of flights.

G.

SweetComanche 28th Nov 2016 12:32


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 9588024)
Which one? V-280 Valor or 525 Relentless?

Not the Valor for sure because it's only military, and there's already the AW609 which is still a Bell aircraft; The jet ranger only sits 5 ppl; He's indeed talking about the 525, which unfortunately just crashed in a bad way.
Looks like there's not much on sight as far as new machines.
Fortunately, as Geoffers said :ok:, we don't really need what we already have.

Jdbelo 14th Jan 2018 16:02

In Brazil, H225 back to service yesterday flying with passengers. Very good news.

barbados sky 15th Jan 2018 09:09


In Brazil, H225 back to service yesterday flying with passengers. Very good news.
Yes, c'est fantastique, a French Helicopter flying for a French oil and Gas company using a Brazilian helicopter operator. Mainstream 225 service just around the corner it seems.

Twist & Shout 15th Jan 2018 11:17


Originally Posted by Jdbelo (Post 10019481)
In Brazil, H225 back to service yesterday flying with passengers. Very good news.

I hope there aren’t too many people on board the next one to lose a main rotor.

Mee3 15th Jan 2018 13:41

T&S your life is just about venting hate towards EC?

SASless 15th Jan 2018 13:57

One thing for sure...a third fatal crash due to loss of the rotor system and the 225 is as dead as all the people it killed.

The manufacturer, the operator , and the 225 will all go as a package.

The authorities being government will keep right on as nothing happened.....as they will say it had nothing to do with them!

birmingham 15th Jan 2018 17:55


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10020370)
One thing for sure...a third fatal crash due to loss of the rotor system and the 225 is as dead as all the people it killed.

The manufacturer, the operator , and the 225 will all go as a package.

The authorities being government will keep right on as nothing happened.....as they will say it had nothing to do with them!

Totally agree. We know that the type of epicyclic now fitted to all the machines has never failed. So the (unspoken) conclusion seems to be either; the type used on the fatal accident flights had some undiagnosed design flaw or, the design was solid but subject to some form of undiagnosed externality which caused the accidents. So government has determined that the new regime of inspection and restriction will provide sufficient protection. If so I hope they are right. Of course, they may have access to information to support the decision that can't be in the public domain for legal reasons. That might make them less nervous than me.

SASless 15th Jan 2018 18:58

Weren’t they the same folks that said the 225 was safe to fly twice before the second crash....once during certification then again after the first crash.

Now we should trust them a third time?

For sure someone is betting their life on that and it is not the bueauracrats.

henra 15th Jan 2018 19:03


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10020370)
One thing for sure...a third fatal crash due to loss of the rotor system and the 225 is as dead as all the people it killed.

Yup.

The manufacturer,
As desperately as you're hoping for this, it ain't gonna happen.
(Hint: They are the biggest Heli Manufacturer in the World - the Puma is a total niche product for them)

the operator ,
doubtful but possible.

and the 225 will all go as a package.
in all likelyhood.

Twist & Shout 16th Jan 2018 05:11


Originally Posted by Mee3 (Post 10020347)
T&S your life is just about venting hate towards EC?

My life is about getting home from work alive so I can enjoy life.
I feel I’m a little lucky to be alive after flying EC225s and being particularly close to one of the MRGBs that later failed killing all on board.

Further, as SASless and others have pointed out: EC have incorrectly twice told us the MRGB won’t fail and kill all on board.

That, and they way they have handled the second fatal incident, causes me to hold that organization in disdain. This is obviously reflected in my attitude and posts.


“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
Third time lucky?

Evil Twin 16th Jan 2018 06:55

Sorry to be pedantic but, only one 225 gearbox has failed catastrophically the other failure was a 332L2 which is very very similar but slightly different. Yes the architecture is very close but they are different, before I get flamed by all and sundry.

Flying Bull 16th Jan 2018 08:12


Originally Posted by Twist & Shout (Post 10021039)
My life is about getting home from work alive so I can enjoy life.
I feel I’m a little lucky to be alive after flying EC225s and being particularly close to one of the MRGBs that later failed killing all on board.

Further, as SASless and others have pointed out: EC have incorrectly twice told us the MRGB won’t fail and kill all on board.

That, and they way they have handled the second fatal incident, causes me to hold that organization in disdain. This is obviously reflected in my attitude and posts.


“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.”
Third time lucky?

Well, destiny will catch you, where ever you are....

With Helicopters, normaly the Crew will kill you...

Looking through the accidentreports you will find, that about 90 % of the accidents are Human failures.....

Airbus has done quite a lot to prevent further incidents/accidents involving gearboxes. Which is a pain in the a.., cause I have to fiddel with the gearbox mag plug on a daily basis, even without any warning and on a different helicoptertype, just because of the similaritys of the gearboxdesigns....

It is good to prevent risks, but you also need work/live and take risks, which you can think you can handle.

The 225 has flown for years over years without major problems and I would rather get a lift in an 225 before getting in any Robinson helicopter....


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