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gnow 30th Aug 2016 02:14

EC 225 latest ......so quiet
 
It has been a few weeks since we last heard Anything from Airbus or EASA or anybody else. I wonder what is happening either in Airbus (maybe they are secretly testing a new gear!) or the investigators. This silence is deafening for those of us who are 225 drivers.:ugh:

Anybody knows or has heard any good or bad news?

SASless 30th Aug 2016 02:33

How close are you to Retirement?:E

Geoffersincornwall 30th Aug 2016 05:33

ex-225
 
We have availability for 139 or 189 type ratings at your local friendly factory school. First come first serve.

G :)

Ex Machina 30th Aug 2016 08:21

Or perhaps Airbus are busy trying to negotiate a merger with Leonardo :ooh:

birmingham 1st Sep 2016 07:45

AH will have to wait for the accident report before they can finally address this. Those things take a while at the best of times and this one is very complex. I'm sure they are discussing with interested parties behind the scenes as whatever the fate of the 225 AH the lessors, operators etc will have to find a way forward. The solution may involve a fix for the 225 or take another path. Unfortunately it is going to take a while to work through.

bigglesbutler 1st Sep 2016 07:57

Problem is the longer it is quiet the more people are going to mentally move on from the 225 and the job to get it airborne and people confident of it will be even harder. Sometimes a bulletin saying "No new news" helps ease the nerves.

Si

OldblokeTH53 1st Sep 2016 15:08

Airbus Helicopters braces for post-Tury impact - Vertical Magazine

birmingham 1st Sep 2016 16:22


Originally Posted by industry insider (Post 9493116)
Gnow is in the know. Nothing from Airbus in months. Biggles is right, industry is moving on and there are no real capacity constraints now caused by the absence of the 225.

I agree entirely but there are two distinct markets. The E&P market has gone Perfect storm of no confidence, no demand, no future. Time to move on.

The military is another story. That hasn't gone yet and can be fixed in the longer term if an engineering solution can be found.

rotor-rooter 6th Sep 2016 17:10

Although this pertains to the original grounding, I'm sure other operators may have similar issues with their customers?
Boustead's MHS Aviation seeks RM42.7m in damages from Petronas Carigali - Business News | The Star Online

Pablo332 6th Sep 2016 18:24


Originally Posted by industry insider (Post 9498516)
I heard yesterday from a helicopter operator with 225s that their senior management have been invited to visit Airbus in Marignane towards the end of the year for discussions about the structure of a return to service plan for the 225. Also within the last 24 hours, I have been contacted by Airbus looking to make some time for a "chat"

Are things stirring?

I hope the topics under discussion after the obvious one will include AH inability to supply the glycol for the emergency lubrication system and the lunatic man hour eating inspection of the life rafts mechanism every 6 months.

SASless 6th Sep 2016 19:47

Insider,

The 225 is DOA when it is put back "into" service as the Bears have turned their collective noses up at the thing.

I suppose Management at the Oil Companies could "force" their employees to ride in the things but I suppose such and edict would not be well received by the Unions.

What Admin, Safety, Labor, Legal hurdles would the Oil Companies have to get over to enforce such a policy?

Sevarg 6th Sep 2016 20:57

SASless, it would be a good way for the oil companies to reduce their wage bills or am I being cynical.

gasax 7th Sep 2016 11:54

By the time the 225 gets back in the air the labour situation for offshore people will have stabilised.
Which will mean a lot of people will have left and finding replacements will cost money, if only for training etc. It has been like this after each price slump. People are generally reluctant to re-locate, retrain when the memories of the last slump are still current and to some extent that protects the remaining workforce that has survived the culls.
In that environment any level of 'coercion' really costs money - if only through not having people to do the things that have to be done.
Bear opinion killed the 234 and it seems likely it will do the same for the 225

riff_raff 10th Sep 2016 04:37

Here's some news:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...m-deal-429120/

PhilJ 20th Sep 2016 00:49


Originally Posted by industry insider (Post 9498516)
I heard yesterday from a helicopter operator with 225s that their senior management have been invited to visit Airbus in Marignane towards the end of the year for discussions about the structure of a return to service plan for the 225. Also within the last 24 hours, I have been contacted by Airbus looking to make some time for a "chat"

Are things stirring?

So did you have that chat?

SASless 20th Sep 2016 11:52

If we accept the "Damaged in Transit" theory for the one....what is the explanation for the other one?

Frying Pan 20th Sep 2016 12:17

'Damaged in transit'....really? Do Airbus realise their customers are grown ups?

This tragedy warrants a lot more than that. Whatever the final cause, the confidence of the people flying them and reputation of the 225 is pretty much shot!

roundwego 20th Sep 2016 14:22

Don't believe everything you read on these rumour forums (or the press for that matter). It could be malicious rumour, it could be from sources who don't know anything about it, or it could be just good old fashioned gossip based on hearsay of dubious source.

Wait for the official report.

Variable Load 20th Sep 2016 17:30

I don't think it matters what the root cause actually was i.e. damage caused by a road accident and the subsequent repair by the OEM not correcting any issues.

The worrying part for industry is that HUMS did not detect damage and deterioration in the epicyclic such that it resulted in a catastrophic failure.

Or so the reports to date have indicated!

henra 20th Sep 2016 18:41


I don't think it matters what the root cause actually was i.e. damage caused by a road accident and the subsequent repair by the OEM not correcting any issues.

The worrying part for industry is that HUMS did not detect damage and deterioration in the epicyclic such that it resulted in a catastrophic failure.
Indeed! That story is not nearly confidence inspiring enough to return it to service. There must be a clear way how to make sure this doesn't re- occur in future. Hoping that no one ever dings a gearbox again does not fulfill that. Besides the obvious question if the MGB od G-REDL was also damaged in an accident.
I seriously hope this is mis- information.


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