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birmingham 27th Feb 2018 13:27


Originally Posted by MajorLemond (Post 10065573)
The design has serious flaws, and needs to be redesigned from the ground up.

They can fly massive Mi26’s around without their gearboxes having catastrophic failures and I would imagine the maintanence standards of those aircraft being somewhat diminished compared to western types.

With the budget and resources of Airbus, this should be something easily rectified with an appropriate amount of development and money.

What happens when the next one loses it’s rotors?

Yes but look at it from AH point of view..

1. Despite some green shoots the E&P market for heavies is down and recovering only very slowly. Most think its halcyon days are gone. The accidents have left the /2 and 225 with a damaged reputation. Only 20 something have yet returned to E&P.

2. It is not economic to embark on a complete redesign at this stage in the product lifecycle. This is compounded by the inability to track down a definitive cause of the current problem.

3. The 225 is selling well in the military/quasi military arena with 54 orders last year and production being scaled-up to meet demand

4. The successor project has been suspended as AH don't think the technology or demand for it is sufficient yet

So it is easier and cheaper for them to play second place in E&P and try and prevent further accidents with the measures they have introduced. They seem to believe they can sleep easily with that and they have much better knowledge of the problem than I. i hope for everyone's sake they are right.

Hopefully the AIBN will find a definitive cause but at the moment their silence is deafening.

ShyTorque 27th Feb 2018 16:25


Originally Posted by S92PAX (Post 10065588)
I haven't really noticed a vibration problem on the S92 - I remember the early Pumas before the pitch reduction shook that much you couldn't read but the S92 cabin is spacious and comfortable.
You wouldn't see a trend about people complaining, you would hear it if you worked amongst them

But the S-92 has hardly been without its own gearbox failures....

S92PAX 27th Feb 2018 16:37

Of course you are completely correct ShyTorque but I would prefer to travel to my demise in reasonable comfort than squashed like a sardine in a tin.

Fareastdriver 27th Feb 2018 18:12


The 225 is selling well in the military/quasi military arena
The Puma, and its successors, has always been a military helicopter. Narrow, so it can fit on to a railway truck, low, so that with the gearbox removed it is tactically air portable with a cabin designed for squaddies to sit in for fifteen minutes before they go to war.

Not a lot has changed over the years.

The cabin is still cramped, the passengers have to surmount a step to get in and it must be the last commercial aircraft in the world where the crew have to climb up the outside of the aircraft to get into the cockpit.

Its day has gone; like me, I flew them for thirty six years and they have had enough of the civilian world.

Militarily is different. The specifications haven't changed a lot and they are abreast with the electronics and systems so there is still a future.

Its like the Comet and the Nimrod.

Nigerian Expat Outlaw 28th Feb 2018 15:19


Originally Posted by Fareastdriver (Post 10067165)
The Puma, and its successors, has always been a military helicopter. Narrow, so it can fit on to a railway truck, low, so that with the gearbox removed it is tactically air portable with a cabin designed for squaddies to sit in for fifteen minutes before they go to war.

Not a lot has changed over the years.

The cabin is still cramped, the passengers have to surmount a step to get in and it must be the last commercial aircraft in the world where the crew have to climb up the outside of the aircraft to get into the cockpit.

Its day has gone; like me, I flew them for thirty six years and they have had enough of the civilian world.

Militarily is different. The specifications haven't changed a lot and they are abreast with the electronics and systems so there is still a future.

Its like the Comet and the Nimrod.

What he said. Except I didn't fly them anywhere near as long as Fareastdriver, thankfully.

NEO

Non-Driver 8th Jun 2018 07:45

New home for some of the ex-CHC machines:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...opters-449103/

His dudeness 8th Jun 2018 08:05


Originally Posted by Non-Driver (Post 10167973)
New home for some of the ex-CHC machines:

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...opters-449103/


Interesting. One wonders how they can afford this ?

HeliHenri 8th Jun 2018 08:41


Originally Posted by His dudeness (Post 10167993)
Interesting. One wonders how they can afford this ?

That's because you don't know the price of a second hand 225 (ex O&G) !
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Bravo73 8th Jun 2018 08:52

BOGOF at the moment, I’d imagine.

Mee3 8th Jun 2018 16:19


Originally Posted by Bravo73 (Post 10168033)
BOGOF at the moment, I’d imagine.

on contrary, 225/725 are selling slightly lesser price tag but definitely no where close to 50%. Actually been a good sell for 2 consecutive years.

Apate 8th Jun 2018 19:14


Originally Posted by Mee3 (Post 10168353)
on contrary, 225/725 are selling slightly lesser price tag but definitely no where close to 50%. Actually been a good sell for 2 consecutive years.

Ooo, so much spin I'm feeling dizzy ;)

Aesir 8th Jun 2018 22:28

ICG Icelandic Coast Guard is getting two H225 Þyrlur Gæslunnar endurnýjaðar langt á undan áætlun: ?Stórt skref fram á við? - Vísir

havick 8th Jun 2018 23:21

ERA managed to offload all of their 225’s recently

Mee3 9th Jun 2018 02:22


Originally Posted by Apate (Post 10168449)
Ooo, so much spin I'm feeling dizzy ;)

Earth is round and spinning. Hold on tight!

gnow 10th Jun 2018 13:26

Just thinking out loud...Would the French oil companies be interested to use "their" machines in future offshore contracts?

HeliHenri 10th Jun 2018 15:19


Originally Posted by gnow (Post 10169697)
Just thinking out loud...Would the French oil companies be interested to use "their" machines in future offshore contracts?

https://www.omnibrasil.com.br/en/not...5-para-a-total

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TipCap 11th Jun 2018 10:54

Who said the 225 would never fly commercially on O&G again? Obviously Total E&P seem happy to take them on board. I am sure these flights will be watched like a hawk by others

212man 11th Jun 2018 11:13


Originally Posted by TipCap (Post 10170423)
Who said the 225 would never fly commercially on O&G again? Obviously Total E&P seem happy to take them on board. I am sure these flights will be watched like a hawk by others

I'm not sure anybody did, and in some countries they never stopped (Vietnam), however I don't think anybody seriously thinks they will appear in the N. Sea again.

industry insider 11th Jun 2018 11:40

Tip Cap wrote:


Who said the 225 would never fly commercially on O&G again? Obviously Total E&P seem happy to take them on board. I am sure these flights will be watched like a hawk by others
There is a lot of background to this. C'est Team France in action.

As time goes on, more aircraft are being returned to leasing companies. The market is still down, Super Mediums are becoming established where they make sense, in some cases replacing what were 225 contracts. There are spare S-92s available on the market. Many new tenders no longer include the 225 as a qualified type.

helicrazi 11th Jun 2018 16:52

Spare S92's, but no surplus of type rated pilots and companies reluctant to pay for the ratings. Industry is on its head, anyway I digress...


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