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HeliComparator 30th Nov 2013 09:20

The damage doesn't seem consistent with the rotors being stationary prior to impact. That would have resulted in "brick mode" and no relatively big chunks of recognisable structure.

More likely I think an emergency landing on the roof (maybe auto, maybe not) as the street was probably full of people and it's pretty hard to deliberately land on people. Then rotors stopped or nearly so. Then the roof under the skids collapsed, with the tail boom getting folded up as the bit of roof under it hadn't collapsed. Running out of fuel seems unlikely, more likely a yaw control problem or the like.

Heathrow Harry 30th Nov 2013 09:31

really bad but at least there was no fire- maybe shutoff before the impact??

Mechta 30th Nov 2013 09:49

Mick Stability and Heli Comparator appear to have the most plausible explanations given the evidence visible so far.

Old Age Pilot 30th Nov 2013 09:52


If there was no post-crash fire, then maybe there was not much fuel left in the tanks ? Just my 2 cents of unsubstantiated speculation.
Why does everybody assume no fire equals no fuel?!

I have seen accidents with no fire and full fuel, and an airframe completely consumed by fire after impact with very little fuel.

Note: There is ALWAYS fuel of some quantity!

AtomKraft 30th Nov 2013 09:54

There are other, better, places to land very near to this pub.

Must have been very hard pushed for time to choose this location.

B.U.D.G.I.E 30th Nov 2013 10:04

It never surprises me to see the amount of nonsense that some people type on a public forum. You make your lack if knowledge quite obvious.

20milesout 30th Nov 2013 10:16

Press release by Bond:


Major incident - Glasgow

30-Nov-2013

Bond Air Services can confirm that a police service helicopter was involved in an accident yesterday evening in Glasgow city centre.

The police have declared a major incident after the Eurocopter EC135 T2 - with a crew of three consisting of two police officers and a pilot - came down on the roof of a pub in Stockwell Street at 10.25pm.

Bond is working with Police Scotland and the emergency services who responded immediately and remain at the scene at the present time. No further details are available at this stage.

Our thoughts are with those who have been affected by this tragic incident.

jemax 30th Nov 2013 10:47

BBC Pictures of site
 
Attached link to detail pictures of site and recovery effort.

BBC News - In pictures: Glasgow pub helicopter crash

tbtstt 30th Nov 2013 10:48


Originally Posted by B.U.D.G.I.E
It never surprises me to see the amount of nonsense that some people type on a public forum. You make your lack if knowledge quite obvious.

Surpassed only by the tripe sprouted by the "experts" on the BBC news coverage.

Rocchi 30th Nov 2013 11:04

Have stopped watching the news as facts have dried up and we're getting speculation now. Will have to wait for official reports now.

MYvol 30th Nov 2013 11:15

learning
 
Actually one reason for posting comments is to learn. If you don't post you may not learn.

Thanks for the detail on fuel tanks.

HeliComparator 30th Nov 2013 11:53

It never fails to amaze me how much time some people spend trawling through internet forums looking for something to complain about, so that they can feel morally superior etc. It's simple, if you don't want speculation, don't read this thread until the AAIB report is out.

Mechta 30th Nov 2013 11:55

HeliComparator :D

skadi 30th Nov 2013 12:08

A double engine failure due to fuel starvation is also not very reasonable on the 135. Beside the LOW FUEL Warning, which gives you at least 10min, both supplytanks are different in size, so one donk quits earlier in case of low fuel to give a little chance for SE landing.

PFR 30th Nov 2013 12:28

Sean Maffett speaking sensibly on BBC World News right now - which is refreshing..

gordon field 30th Nov 2013 12:36

+1 for SM, first Aviation Expert I have seen for some time who talked sense.

Wetbulb 30th Nov 2013 12:38

Yes, was impressed with Sean Maffett.

For what it's worth (and this may of course not be accurate), one of the police on site this morning told me that prior to the accident, the 135 had been heading east along the river, rather than west on an approach to the pad.

madflyer26 30th Nov 2013 12:51

Folks,
I found a post on Facebook confirming from a relative that the pilot ex military had perished in the accident. The name was published but out of respect I am withholding it.

BARKINGMAD 30th Nov 2013 13:07

Yates just been on Beeb radio 4 telling us how the pilot may have skilfully shut off the fuel to the engines, thereby reducing the fire risk!

Mmmmmm, rapid conclusion jump there then?

To those who believe no post-impact fire equals little or no fuel, l ask you to look at or recall the Kegworth wreckage pictures and think again?

bondu 30th Nov 2013 13:20

FDR/CVR
 
According to the ANO 2009, Schedule 4, para5, any a/c over 2730kg should/must have equipment as specified in Scale SS, meaning either SS1 or SS3. As the EC135 is listed as having an all up of over 2800kg, should it not have an integrated FDR/CVR? Have the rules changed since the 2009 edition of the ANO with regard to the weights?
And he is totally aware of the EC135s extremely good safety record, a fact he has made known to Sky, BBC and STV.
bondu


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