ps Snarlie
we in the RAF Get your facts straight son. llamaman |
Jim, nothing in that Purdah document is relevant - shutting a SAR flight is not new policy or even vaguely political - the purdah is about avoiding political bias through advertising or patronage.
Sadly it must just be a complete lack of spine from someone in power. |
http://m.thetelegram.com/Business/20...e-helicopter/1
Don't know why they're bothering. According to some, those push out windows aren't needed anyway. |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 8915708)
Jim, nothing in that Purdah document is relevant - shutting a SAR flight is not new policy or even vaguely political - the purdah is about avoiding political bias through advertising or patronage.
Sadly it must just be a complete lack of spine from someone in power. I agree. (Let's hope recent reminders to serving personnel about the use of social media were designed to protect us from guys with machetes and not to protect the management.) :eek: |
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The gap in SAR coverage between Dalcross and Humberside - was it just a little bit too much for the O&G industry safety managers?
North Sea search helicopters get £60m oil and gas pledge - BBC News |
Originally Posted by Older and Wiser
(Post 8927057)
The gap in SAR coverage between Dalcross and Humberside - was it just a little bit too much for the O&G industry?
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Looking like S-92 weather all week around here. :cool:
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Big day tomorrow. Best of luck to all. Let's not forget many thanks to them that have stood down. I can't be are the banned bar but I'll have a pint with you.
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Looking like S-92 weather all week around here. |
Love this quote from the mum of one of the SAR boys about why the party had been cancelled....
“Maybe they feared they would slag off the new service but they wouldn’t do that, they are responsible human beings. Maybe somebody should point her to Pprune......😉 |
Quote from Satsuma;
I thought being NVG capable from day one was a requirement of the contract. |
Originally Posted by Sevarg
(Post 8928037)
Big day tomorrow. Best of luck to all. ... ...
http://www.kintailmrt.org.uk/image/t...haview_RAF.jpg "So you're moving to a new office?" [Borrowed from Training 2005: Kintail Mountain Rescue Team in Wester Ross, Scotland.) |
Originally Posted by satsuma
(Post 8928067)
... ... I thought being NVG capable from day one was a requirement of the contract.
There are a lot of people in the training system and only two bases to staff. Nautical Twilight start/end: 05h 22m/21h 22m and getting better every day. Faced with the possibility of contract penalties and reputational damage, what do you think is going to happen? Change-over is expected as planned. |
ARCC have now been instructed to go ahead with all new taskings as per the handover agreement. All new call signs kick in now as well.
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Sea King past my house this morning!
Just before 0800 this morning the mighty Sea King roared past my house at speed and low level and looked like it was headed for the West Coast. Could it be on it's way to a job? :ok:
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Originally Posted by Oldsarbouy
(Post 8928594)
Just before 0800 this morning the mighty Sea King roared past my house at speed and low level and looked like it was headed for the West Coast. Could it be on it's way to a job? :ok:
Welcome to the new era BUT overlap would appear to be in progress. Keep calm and carry on. |
Just a big thank you to all the military SAR boys and girls for "being there" over the years, and for the many lives you have saved. Thanks too, and a pat on the side, for the Seakings, and aeroplane that did a brilliant job as did the Wessex and Whirlwind in earlier years.
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Sea King past my house this morning! Just before 0800 this morning the mighty Sea King roared past my house at speed and low level and looked like it was headed for the West Coast. Could it be on it's way to a job? |
Originally Posted by shetlander
(Post 8928902)
The Bristow S92 assumed its first rescue callsign this morning whilst on its way to a Mountain Rescue at Ben Nevis.
S-92 heading south over Loch Ness. 1435h BST. Confirmed on AIS track (MMSI 111232511). |
Good job it wasn't in the dark at the Ben....
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Or the back of the Ben.........
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Never talk about the back of the Ben....
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Any bets if the crew in Dalcross will get a night call out later? Not a nice April fools joke for the DfT if there's no NVG capability.......:E
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Any bets if the crew in Dalcross will get a night call out later? Not a nice April fools joke for the DfT if there's no NVG capability....... |
Facts?
Heavens! Those with the facts rarely waste them on this lot. |
Write something here..
137 heading SW. Inverness. 0910h. Off on an easter break? RAF MRS tpt a/c? ?? |
Cab has just departed Lossie- presumably to RAF Valley. Sad to see it go.
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Originally Posted by WorkingSection
(Post 8929932)
Cab has just departed Lossie- presumably to RAF Valley. Sad to see it go.
Have both gone? |
Next Tuesday I believe and the hangar will be bare.
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Packed in the Drouthy Cobbler. :cool: A few old sar boys and mrt. :ok:
CAS hasn't turned up. Surely somebody must have told him it was on? :E |
Day 4 now and the world north of the Forth/Clyde is still there. I take it that Civsar is working or has the midnight Sun made NVG's un-needed? It all gone very silent from the wee orange. Bait out.
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It's all going terribly well.............................................:hmm: |
As it should for what it costs:ok:
Any actual info on the NVG status? |
As it should for what it costs Any actual info on the NVG status? |
Crab, just as a matter of interest how much did it cost to run a SAR flight. Let's say Boulmer, which would compare nicely with one of the new civ bases. I don't think that Bristow will give us the figures but a good idea could be got by deviding the contract cost by the years by the number of bases. When I came out of the RAF it was an eye opener the reduction in cost to operate a cab in the civil world. My guess would be the the old set up cost us much more and that would be with the old equipment.
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Sevarg - no-one was allowed to compare costs - the actual cost of running a RAF SAR flt wasn't established as it was inconvenient to the process of civilianisation.
Remember, MilSAR wasn't canned because it cost too much, it was canned because generations of leaders failed to invest in a Sea King replacement. Once Afghanistan kicked off, anything that wasn't core to that theatre was never going to get funding. Was the Sea King expensive to maintain? Yes, partly because of its age and partly because of the number of hours we flew. If you cut the flying rate in half (especially the training) of course it looks cheaper. I must have imagined you telling us all that Bristow were providing an inferior service by cutting costs. Yes - lots. Sadly Crab it is information for those actively involved in UK SAR only I am sure there would be trumpet fanfare and press releases if the full (as good as the mil) NVD capability was already in place. |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 8936254)
... it was canned because generations of leaders failed to invest in a Sea King replacement. Once Afghanistan kicked off, anything that wasn't core to that theatre was never going to get funding.
And now having half the guys flying around in Chinooks and Puma2 and large numbers of folks on £80k thinking up stuff for them to do will probably cost more than the whole SAR fleet.
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 8936254)
... ... Ah, just the sort of openness we have come to expect from HMCG when there is stuff they are uncomfortable about. ...
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Yes - lots. Sadly Crab it is information for those actively involved in UK SAR only |
Well put in an FOI request! No point giving a hard time to those at the new rockface!
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