I can understand that; similar to long-lining.

Bristow Inverness Launch Event, 2015-03-17
 

This afternoon, an army of journos, a few mountain rescuers and a Coastguard flash mob gathered at the new Bristow hangar at Dalcross (INV) for the Bristow Inverness launch event.

http://hmcoastguard.********.co.uk/2...elicopter.html [LINK FAILS!! Pprune filters out the word b10gsp0t, so add it in manually with o instead of 0!]

STV news item
(Glenelg and Kintail MRTs working hard in the background to spoil some of the shots. Sorry Sam ;) )

I spent three hours there. For some of those present, it may have been a case of 'ooh look at the new toy'. However, like other NW MR folks, I think I may have seen an Sikorsky S-92 somewhere before, so I attended to other matters.

I spent most of that time talking to Inverness SAR pilots and pilots who form part of the management team at Bristow SAR. My main concern was the regulatory framework. In 2012, my conversations with the CAA led me to believe that there was commitment within government and CAA to delivering a regulatory framework for life-saving flight that was workable for UK SAR in a service equivalent to previous providers. Today, I wanted to know whether the CAA has delivered the goods on those SAR flying rules. After conversations with several highly experienced flyers, I believe that the answer is that they have delivered. :ok:

I also spoke to people about previous civilian SAR contracts, about NVG, and about the AW189, incuding AFCS SAR modes, icing protection systems and NVG.

36 pilots and 42 rear crew are moving to Bristow on Managed Transition. (So statistical estimate of 70 to 80 spot on.) :ok:

Bristow Inverness will operate with a really impressive proportion of former RAF Lossiemouth SAR aircrew both through Managed Transition and other routes. These guys know about mountains. Same faces, same service? Not quite. Several of them seem to be smiling a lot more now that they have seen the kit they will be working with. :ok: Less abandoning broken helicopters on mountains :uhoh:, less fire-fighting :eek:, less online gaming (due to aircraft offline!). So same faces, smiling more, four or five thousand shaft horsepower and the lots of super 21st century role equipment. Unlike a Sea King SAR hangar, the most sophisticated piece of equipment in the Bristow SAR hangar is NOT the entertainment system in the crew room. :cool:


The DfT and MCA are already thinking about how they will run the competition to replace this contract is 2023/26. Joined-up thinking and long-term planning in British public procurement: today's scoop! Remember where you heard it first folks. :E

So Jim,

are you saying that actually this could work out to be a good service? Surely not.

It remains the case that I believe that this contract has a competent specification and has been won by a competent contractor.

It also remains the case that like William Thomson, I believe that when you can measure something and speak about it in numbers then you know something about it. Therefore most commentators in the public domain know nothing about this subject.

It also remains the case that I believe it is right to get stuck in and ask searching questions to establish the facts rather than believe the spin.

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Sometimes the facts get overshadowed in a good way. Yesterday, as one pilot spoke of the recent developments in the regulatory framework, the glint in his eye was one such event. :ok:


'Per Ardua Ad Astra'

Strebgth of winch cables.
 

When Bristow held the SAR contract the Air Equipement hoist in the S61N had a cable with a 600 lb max working load, but the breaking load was 3000 lbs, I guess that the more modern hoists have similar cables. Having said that, the cables were susceptible to snatch loads, they couldn't be used to tow a car for instance if it was lashed up to do so.

JimF671 - I think the personnel from the Coastguard Rescue Service may object to being labelled a "flash mob". It is my understanding that those personnel present where from coastal areas right across what will be the AOR for the Inverness Cabs. Maybe you didn't notice, but there was also representatives from the RNLI at the event also. Its not just MR who will work with these new machines!!:ugh:

Cornflakes spat across the breakfast table
 

Everyone enjoys a bit of irony first thing in the morning. I've got to hand it to you Jim, this one's priceless.

And then this.

Surely you must see, that's exactly what you're doing, believing the spin and then re-broadcasting it here.

From the above quote it looks like you asked about NVG twice. By all accounts, that's twice more than they've flown with them! But I'm sure it'll all be ok because, "Inverness SAR pilots and pilots who form part of the management team at Bristow SAR" say it will be.

No doubt assisted by the fact that the Bristow SAR Director is the ex-CAA SAR 'gatekeeper'.

It is interesting to note the favourable comments and attitude to the new aircraft, coming from the MR community. The lads and lasses who will operate the equipment will deliver a first rate service, that is in no doubt. However the presence of the 92 is slightly misleading, as it will be replaced with a much smaller 189 in due course. This will cause MR personnel some problems, having to shuffle around on their backsides, unable to stand, smaller teams etc etc. Two of the UK's three main 'mountain job' bases equipped with 189's. Interesting.
I expect Stornoway to be heading SE a lot more, particularly when the W/V is up a bit.

Why is this in no doubt? Some of the entry requirements (in terms of SAR experience) were really quite paltry.

People really need to stop making sweeping statements that are impossible to substantiate.

What were the mil SAR requirements for aircrew just out of interest?

A multi-stage selection and intensive training process that takes place over a number of years.

So ab-initio pilots with les than 200 hrs TT would never get sent SAR then.

There are hours, then there are quality hours. In the military when sorties are failed the student doesn't have the ability to throw money at the problem until it goes away. I can't speak for every pilot that has gone through the military training system but in general, no. Do remember, there's a four man crew on SAR and the experience (or lack of experience) of the rearcrew is equally vital.

Ed, the flash mob comment indicates a good turnout from the Coastguard and is more of a dig at MR colleagues whose turnout, apart from Glenelg, was not very impressive.

Was the Chief Pilot position filled by proper procedure of fair competition using SVN?:E

Satsuma, inadequate previous civSAR contracts have resulted in years of guarded answers from contractor personnel that in turn have taken their toll on relations between some MR and civSAR. We are moving into a new era with a proper tech spec and reformed regulatory framework. There is also more clarity about where GAP SAR North stands during the next two years while still under the old regime.



With you on the rear crew. Yesterday I spoke up for rear crew status and will follow that up. Bristow have some influence there but really the DfT and the CAA need to get in there and specify and regulate this area in a more intelligent way.

And I had a chat with that chap as well about how easily the gate will swing open if the correct evidenced forces are applied.

Sumpor,

That is an odd question to ask in here but entirely appropriate for someone of your age. Mental is it?

P3

UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
 

Was it just me or did Satsuma make a sweeping statement that he was immediately unable to substantiate lol

It was just you.

No it wasn't.

https://heavywhalley.wordpress.com/2015/03/18/202-squadron-d-flight-party-cancelled/

If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt that it is not, then someone should be hanging their head in shame

If you turn up at the planned venue I'm sure you won't be alone!

I would have loved to have been there, but distance precludes. However, I will raise a glass to my first SAR flight and all who have served with such dedication, past and present, from near and far. Have a great time and best of luck for the future, whatever it holds

Indeed.


And who knows what tomorrow will bring.

My first SAR tour too; the most challenging and enjoyable of my entire RAF career. It was a privilege to work at D Flt and is where I learnt my continued and utmost respect for those brave and selfless souls in the 'Knapsack and Bovril Brigade' - MRTs, civilian and military, throughout the UK. :ok:

The end of an era... Onwards and upwards... Hope you all still have a good send off despite what the Fun Police have dictated.

From a dyed-in-the-wool Yellow-hatted war-dodging bed-wetting SAR-buoy. :D

If true. All very sad.

How can you order someone not to go to the pub with a few mates and ex colleagues for a beer. F&@££&g ridiculous if you ask me.

A sad reflection on the times we live in.

P3

Two scenarios occur to me.

1. Media and communications have over-stepped the mark and been far too sensitive about celebration of SAR Force's part in provision of the service across the decades, underestimating the backlash and the resulting reputational damage.

2. D Flight and several former colleagues are flying that evening. D Flight providing an extension to SAR helicopter service and their former colleagues trying to get their NVG hours up on the S-92.

A combination of both is possible.



It feels strange to be hoping it is Scenario 1.

If the decision to cancel was taken by somebody in the RAF command chain I am sure the senior officer responsible will be happy to explain his/her decision in person. Or...

Tonight's news
 

Good coverage on the banned get together on local STV News so there should be a good turnout!

Hilarious. The 'powers that be' ban D Flight's informal goodbye beers to avoid any unnecessary pre-election fuss and the whole thing gets plastered across the local press and National Scottish TV thus achieving exactly what they tried to avoid in the first place. Now that everyone who wasn't invited in the first place knows the details it could make for a very interesting night!

This won't have been the SAR Force Commander's idea - this will have come from much higher up.

It's still a complete disgrace and those responsible should be utterly embarrassed.

Has this got anything to do with the senior echelons realising what a huge mistake they made agreeing to hand over the SAR Force?

Agreed Crab. He's one of the good guys and no doubt his strings are being pulled by those who are very much out of touch with reality. It's such a shame that this example of senior leadership f@ckwittery will taint the end of a magnificent era of RAF Search and Rescue in the Scottish Highlands.

Steady boys! You are beginning to sound like we in the RAF care more about column inches , air time and medals than the task itself.
Why don`t we accept that the provision of SAR services has moved on now and bow out gracefully.
Crab, Llamaman et al could always purchase a croft in the Highlands with a hot line to Inverness and call them up to tell them they are doing it all wrong.

Snarlie,
I'm not sure my comments had anything to do with 'Inverness doing it all wrong.' I was merely pointing out the folly of our military and political leaders denying D Flt the opportunity to have a few beers and say thankyou to the community they have served so well.

Stop trying to stoke up a fight where there is none. For what it's worth I wish the Bristow crews all the best in this new era and have no axe to grind.
Doesn't stop me being supportive of the crews that didn't want MilSAR to end and haven't been given an opportunity to continue doing the job the love dearly though.

Personally i cant see what the "powers" are concerned about really.

When they got rid of the Nimrods with unseamly haste following the enquiry, they at least got a disbandment parade and a flypast.

How cant 202 get the same sort of fecking respect at the end of the month.

Distinct lack of spine somewhere at the top me thinks.

P3

Here is one possible reason.

"The Government has recently announced that pre-election purdah before the next general election will begin on 30 March 2015, the same day as the dissolution of Parliament." :ugh:

Election ?purdah? or the pre-election period - Commons Library Standard Note - UK Parliament

That is really really clever stuff. Every thing in the world of government starts on the 1st April and but we can't know about it because under the new electoral regime it is in the election campaign period. I hope you all got your tax coding already because next week you're screwed. :eek: