Why is that? Oh yea, civvies no cok all about operating helicopters.

Pavlov :ok:

Oh dear - I was wrong - but not for the reason P3 automatically surmises:ok:

No MG

Dartmouth training and Pusser's Ego issued! :E:ok:

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No it's not. Landing in ad-hoc field locations on NVG in weather well below most operators' weather limits is somewhat challenging though.

The guys were a little caught out. Cut them some slack, most of us have been there if not somewhere close. I don't remember too many civvy SAR types jumping on Prune every time there was a slightly 'embarrassing' incident for military SAR.

I think people are getting a touch bored with the sour grapes from some quarters. Time to move on.

And a contract requirement at Schedule 2.1 (Specification), 4.1.1.1.2, for 10 degrees in any direction.

The stats are out today!

https://www.gov.uk/government/collec...ter-statistics

https://www.gov.uk/government/statis...september-2015

Llamaman - not sure why you think it is sour grapes when I make a comment on something someone else has posted - perhaps you need to move on and revisit things I have posted with a slightly more open mind:ok:

Jim - pretty stat-tastic - excellent use of colour and pie charts;)

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Crab,

I'm not sure if moving on and revisiting are compatible? ;)

Yes, the DfT probably weren't sure if helicopter guys could do proper graphs and tables. :E

So you can't change your mind about something and see something old in a new light??;)

Jim - no indication of training hours flown though?

Why would you expect that? :ugh: Rescues, searches and transfers are the outputs the British public and their servants at the DfT require and there are those numbers in glorious colour just as they were in the DASA reports in glorious black and white.

Some details like 'persons moved' that appeared in DASA reports are absent but not a great loss. The important thing is that reporting of key data about the work of DfT contractor SAR aircraft that has been absent since 1988 and criticised within the civil service and publicly since at least 1998 (NAO) is now to be regularly published in the public domain. Result! :ok:

The previous absence of public reporting has been widely and repeatedly criticised over the years. I can claim to have done my bit by raising the subject within the DfT/HMCG chain of command at up to AD level, with MPs, on the internet and in articles. What have you done about it Crab?

If you need more information Crab then please follow the instruction at the following address.
https://ico.org.uk/for-the-public/official-information/

Doesn't apply to SAR jobs.

LZ

Never let the true facts detract from a good story.

Jim, the remark about training hours was meant to be tongue in cheek - maybe I should have use a smiley.

No, DASA didn't publish training hours since we always had so many available it wasn't an issue.

Now that training is limited and all the stats are available, why shouldn't they also be in the public domain?

There are a contracted number of training hours for the new SAR service so it would be useful to know if they are being exceeded (because the crews need the training) and, if so, who is paying for them.

Latest news from the Cave Rescue Organisation. Pictures clearly show the side-slope, which must be very hard to judge from above, in the dark.


Helicopter Rescued | The Cave Rescue Organisation


Helicopter Away! | The Cave Rescue Organisation

Yes, looks a lot more than 13 degrees!

It is difficult to judge, even in daylight, which is why you use your AI to assess when to abort the landing.

Just out of interest, what is left of the RAF SAR Force has been rather busy lately.
RAF And Royal Navy In Dramatic Falklands Rescue | Forces TV

Agreed Crab, hard to put a number to it just by looking. 13 degrees sounds uncomfortably high for a side-slope - it's about 1 in 5.5


And I think I would have moved the crane before take-off!

"Just out of interest, what is left of the RAF SAR Force has been rather busy lately.
RAF And Royal Navy In Dramatic Falklands Rescue | Forces TV"

Just to add, Bristow were also involved with their S92 assets but didn't get a mention.