4 Controllers:
1 x ex-RAF, ex-NATS
1 x ex-Sea King rear crew
2 x RAF ARCC

Operators:
Largely ex-military, many aviation, some civil aviation.



Also:

Manager of ARCC reports to Deputy Chief Coastguard.

Work-up will include a visit to ARCCK and Inverness base in two or three month time.

Funny how TG was the only man on the recent training course at Shawbury with any aviation experience whatsoever. Maybe the other skygods destined for the ARCC will be on a separate course?

Also strange how the Shawbury course didn't seem to be on Dougie's radar.



A conversation about this stuff continues. Expecting to understand more about the chain of command, concept of ops and staffing over the next week or two.

Cave rescue team stop coastgaurd helicopter rolling over
 

What is wrong with our bloody helicopters

grough ? Team stops Coastguard helicopter rolling over in Ingleborough rescue

;)

Embarrassing, but these things happen when you are operating out in the bundu. It could have been worse, they probably made the right decision to shut down rather than risk dynamic rollover which would have written it off.

RAF Sea Kings sold for parts :E


http://imbo.vgtv.no/users/sa_/images...%5D=900x506q80

Norway buys 2 ex RAF Sea kings for parts

Video (Norwegian)

Finally - an overseas training sortie for the Mk3A fleet - just a shame it's a few years late and only a one-way ticket:ok:

Crab

How is it in any way embarrassing?

You land; you experience vibration; you shut down.

Sounds like a very sound crew decision to me.

As I'm sure you are familiar,(with your vast experience) helicopters by their very design, are very complex pieces of machinery and things can go wrong when you least expect it.

When you say embarrassing are you now suggesting that there are engineering deficiencies in the operating company?Can't think of any other reason for you to describe it as such. Or are you just up to your usual? I'm sure it never ever happened to the RAF.

P3

I'm sure that Crab was merely describing how all we professionals might feel if we had to abort a life saving mission due to a technical fault; especially when equipped with the mighty shining new wondercopter?

The RN never feel embarrassment of course, goes without saying! :E

P3

You're way too sensitive. Have you considered anger management?

Ggrrrrrrrrrrr

Have you also considered that there may be a connection between the slope and the vibration?

Oh dear P3......... that was a Pavlovian response - crab posts, must reply in angry fashion.

As ever reading things into my narrative that just weren't there.

This is the embarrassing bit Perhaps landing fully on a wet and slippery (and presumably boggy) slope wasn't the best idea when just dropping the rearcrew off for liaison/briefing from light wheel contact might have been an option.

However, you never know when an apparently sound surface is going to give way, especially when a 12-ton helicopter is vibrating on it.

The really embarrassing bit is that it had to be roped to the slope by the people they had come to help.

I think it would be more appropriate to replace 'embarrassing' with 'operational hazard'. Those of us who have operated helicopters for any length of time, especially in demanding environments, know that sh*t happens. SAR involves putting aircraft into situations not normally experienced in most other operations.

Higher risk = higher chance of something going awry.

As the MCA, Navy and RAF have all proved over the years.

It's a bit lame to use this incident as a mud-slinging opportunity. The crew were trying to do their best on a somewhat sh*tty night.

I don't think wet and windy is exclusive territory for SAR helos.

It was never mudslinging and I qualified my opening word 'Embarrassing' with

Don't worry Crab I understood what you meant, P3 How about the pilot must have been P****d about his New cab giving trouble so soon, still better over land :E

That's because they are too thick skinned to be embarrassed. :E :E

Sloping ground limits
 

Just out of interest, what are the sloping ground limits for the S92? Not having a dig at anyone, just curious.:confused:

I'd be surprised if there were any actual limits for sloping ground in a civilian RFM - maybe a recommendation in the Ops manual.

Anyway, if there were any, they might be about to be reviewed:) That S92 is clearly bogged in (in the photo in the other thread).

Maybe the clever counter-rotating weights in the anti-vibration system don't work in the rain;)

WRONG!

From Section 1 of the RFM:
Slope landing limits are 10° nose up or down slope, 13° left or right side of the aircraft up slope.