And now they need a new CEO at NH Industries. Talk about a poisoned chalice.
https://asianaviation.com/atr-appoin...utive-officer/ |
Originally Posted by Cyclic Hotline
(Post 11269353)
And now they need a new CEO at NH Industries. Talk about a poisoned chalice.
https://asianaviation.com/atr-appoin...utive-officer/ As it stands, they are a great advertisement for Sikorsky products. |
Originally Posted by Cyclic Hotline
(Post 11269353)
And now they need a new CEO at NH Industries. Talk about a poisoned chalice.
https://asianaviation.com/atr-appoin...utive-officer/ |
as we have seen with the wider NH90 fiasco - they are well-versed in sloping shoulders and excuses
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Twenty years ago the Nordic countries (NSHP) made their decisions to procure European aircraft. Sikorsky and Boeing legacy aircraft the Blackhawk, Seahawk and Chinook were all rejected as old technology solutions. The S-92, a finalist in the competition, was also rejected across the board. Now, as back then, those legacy aircraft are rising to fulfill the needs as proven supportable and very capable machines.
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Rumour is that Australia will not be replacing the MRH-90 with UH-60M. Budgetary issues and low on the priority order. MRH to stay.
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Approval granted yesterday by US to acquire 40 UH-60M for Australian Army , US will fast track delivery with US slots if the order goes thru, the ADF want them but the new Labor govt are not known for defence spending and as Doors Off said the Labor govt may try and sidetrack the replacement. They are locked into the AH-64 and Self Propelled Howitzer buy but may squirm out of Black Hawk buy.
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Originally Posted by Blackhawk9
(Post 11285958)
Approval granted yesterday by US to acquire 40 UH-60M for Australian Army , US will fast track delivery with US slots if the order goes thru, the ADF want them but the new Labor govt are not known for defence spending and as Doors Off said the Labor govt may try and sidetrack the replacement. They are locked into the AH-64 and Self Propelled Howitzer buy but may squirm out of Black Hawk buy.
Heavier lift capability than the -60 is a reasonable capability to have, the CH-47s needed some replacement program but for the ADF they are a niche capability, that needed high levels of confidence in meeting requirements. Same question re the PAH Tiger. Of all the choices that existed out there with potential for better program outcomes, how on earth did the ADF end up with a kitten vs a Tiger? |
How did the ADF end up making decisions to end up with the NH-90 in the first place? |
The politicians' decisions on where to put the manufacturing ("Where do we need the votes?") over-rides any preferences the ADF has on type and off-the-shelfness.
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Originally Posted by Jack Carson
(Post 11271267)
Twenty years ago the Nordic countries (NSHP) made their decisions to procure European aircraft. Sikorsky and Boeing legacy aircraft the Blackhawk, Seahawk and Chinook were all rejected as old technology solutions. The S-92, a finalist in the competition, was also rejected across the board. Now, as back then, those legacy aircraft are rising to fulfill the needs as proven supportable and very capable machines.
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S-92 vs all the competitors
My point was not that the S-92 wasn’t selected but that the legacy machines were not even considered. I agree that military variants of a commercial S-92 may not have ever measured up. One only has to look at the long and troubled Canadian Cormorant development as an example.
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Originally Posted by megan
(Post 11286325)
I suspect the local work offset in construction was the deciding factor, four being manufactured in Europe, and 42 being manufactured locally by Australian Aerospace (an Airbus Helicopters subsidiary) in Brisbane. I think "manufactured" in the article I got the detail from may be loosely used.
I concur that the potential for the NH-90 was interesting. Another 4' of rotor diameter would have cured some ills. Not having parts in a new program for current operators is a bad look. As a project, it was less frustrating than the LAMPS debacle, NZL and the USN still thank all concerned for their generosity on that score. |
Originally Posted by Jack Carson
(Post 11286536)
One only has to look at the long and troubled Canadian Cormorant development as an example.
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https://dsm.forecastinternational.com/wordpress/2022/11/01/sweden-plans-to-axe-nh90-fleet/November 1, 2022 - by Daniel DarlingUnder new defense spending and equipment plans laid out by Sweden’s defense chief, General Micael Byden, Sweden plans to follow the lead of neighboring Norway and retire its existing fleet of NH90 helicopters. The proposal – which would see the NH90s replaced by Sikorsky UH-60 Black Hawks and a yet-to-be-determined-type – was revealed on November 1. |
Norwegian NH90 cancellation and refund demand ‘legally groundless', says manufacturerby Gareth Jennings Nov 4, 2022, 14:05 PMNorway's decision to cancel its NH90 helicopter contract earlier in 2022 and to demand a refund has been described by NHIndustries (NHI) as “legally groundless”. https://www-janes-com.cdn.ampproject...rsn=9f059e5f_2 NHI has reiterated its earlier position that it would not accept Norwayʼs decision to axe its NH90 programme and demand a refund, with the consortium saying the countryʼs position on the matter is “legally groundless”. (Royal Norwegian Air Force)Norway's decision to cancel its NH90 helicopter contract earlier in 2022 and to demand a refund has been described by NHIndustries (NHI) as “legally groundless”. The assertion came in a 3 November earnings statement released by NHI stakeholder Leonardo about five months after Norway said that the type was unable to fulfil the requirements of the armed forces. Norway had said that it would seek a full refund of the approximately NOK5 billion (USD474 million) it has paid for its NH90 NATO Frigate Helicopters (NFHs), plus interest and other expenses. “In June, the Norwegian Defence Materiel Agency (NDMA) formalised a request for termination for default under the contract – governed by the Norwegian laws – for the supply of 14 NH90 helicopters, which had been entered into in 2001 , with NHI, a company incorporated under French law, the shareholdings of which are held by Leonardo, Airbus Helicopters, and Fokker Aerostructure, due to alleged delays and alleged product non-conformities. “The contract has been subject to extensions and amendments over the years and was expected to be completed by the end of 2023. NDMAʼs request is to return the 13 helicopters that have already been delivered and accepted and claim repayment of the disbursed amounts, including interest. NHI considers this request for termination for default legally groundless and reasonably challengeable in any appropriate forum due to lack of factual and legal basis, misinterpretation of the contract and the Norwegian law, as well as breach of confidentiality obligations,” the consortium said. |
Megan wrote
I suspect the local work offset in construction was the deciding factor, four being manufactured in Europe, and 42 being manufactured locally by Australian Aerospace (an Airbus Helicopters subsidiary) in Brisbane. I think "manufactured" in the article I got the detail from may be loosely used. |
Originally Posted by Cyclic Hotline
(Post 11325667)
Norwegian NH90 cancellation and refund demand ‘legally groundless', says manufacturerby Gareth Jennings Nov 4, 2022, 14:05 PMNorway's decision to cancel its NH90 helicopter contract earlier in 2022 and to demand a refund has been described by NHIndustries (NHI) as “legally groundless”. https://www-janes-com.cdn.ampproject...rsn=9f059e5f_2 NHI has reiterated its earlier position that it would not accept Norwayʼs decision to axe its NH90 programme and demand a refund, with the consortium saying the countryʼs position on the matter is “legally groundless”. (Royal Norwegian Air Force)Norway's decision to cancel its NH90 helicopter contract earlier in 2022 and to demand a refund has been described by NHIndustries (NHI) as “legally groundless”. The assertion came in a 3 November earnings statement released by NHI stakeholder Leonardo about five months after Norway said that the type was unable to fulfil the requirements of the armed forces. Norway had said that it would seek a full refund of the approximately NOK5 billion (USD474 million) it has paid for its NH90 NATO Frigate Helicopters (NFHs), plus interest and other expenses. “In June, the Norwegian Defence Materiel Agency (NDMA) formalised a request for termination for default under the contract – governed by the Norwegian laws – for the supply of 14 NH90 helicopters, which had been entered into in 2001 , with NHI, a company incorporated under French law, the shareholdings of which are held by Leonardo, Airbus Helicopters, and Fokker Aerostructure, due to alleged delays and alleged product non-conformities. “The contract has been subject to extensions and amendments over the years and was expected to be completed by the end of 2023. NDMAʼs request is to return the 13 helicopters that have already been delivered and accepted and claim repayment of the disbursed amounts, including interest. NHI considers this request for termination for default legally groundless and reasonably challengeable in any appropriate forum due to lack of factual and legal basis, misinterpretation of the contract and the Norwegian law, as well as breach of confidentiality obligations,” the consortium said. |
So, why are the Kiwis pretty happy with their NH90's. They have the ship with the highest hours. They must do something right. What is it?
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Originally Posted by Rotorbee
(Post 11325885)
So, why are the Kiwis pretty happy with their NH90's. They have the ship with the highest hours. They must do something right. What is it?
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