Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 10450491)
No link,...?
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Originally Posted by KNIEVEL77
(Post 10450502)
For some reason I can’t post the link or even a scan of the article! |
AOPA Pilot magazine?
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Originally Posted by KNIEVEL77
(Post 10450502)
For some reason I can’t post the link or even a scan of the article! |
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Who own them now |
Not sure about that....
HAVH now on FR24 -> private owner HAVJ still on (closed) Babcock name Both are still in ex Heli Aviation colors while very similar logo to HA is now in use by Northern HeliCopter NHC |
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Originally Posted by KNIEVEL77
(Post 10450502)
For some reason I can’t post the link or even a scan of the article! |
while very similar logo to HA is now in use by Northern HeliCopter NHC |
Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 10451580)
Could you maybe summarize it for us? Is the Cabri a hidden death trap or something?
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I think this is the article?
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Originally Posted by miller745
(Post 10453331)
I think this is the article?
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....327b4b21cf.jpg |
Originally Posted by miller745
(Post 10453331)
I think this is the article?
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fff86545ea.jpg |
^ Thanks, M745. I can actually read that version! :ok:
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If I read the article correctly, it is not having a go at the Cabri so much as the standard of training regarding the fenestron mode of operation and how to not get in a pickle in the first place. When I did my type rating on it, it was high on the list of things to know and I was instructed accordingly. Plus anyone who wants to get a type rating on it would surely read up about it a little too? As a long time R22 flyer, I was surprised just how little a drama adding some extra right foot actually is. |
I can imagine this being more of a problem if you regularly swap between flying an R22/44 and a Cabri. Those who have only ever flown or trained on a Cabri should be able to take it in their stride. |
Originally Posted by KNIEVEL77
(Post 10453704)
I can imagine this being more of a problem if you regularly swap between flying an R22/44 and a Cabri. Those who have only ever flown or trained on a Cabri should be able to take it in their stride. |
All my time is in Robinsons. A few years ago, before there were any G2's in the US, I went out of my way during a business trip to the UK to get some time in a G2, just to experience the difference. I found the fenestron difficult to get used to, much less master. Obviously anyone who has never flown anything but a G2 wouldn't notice a difference. Last year I, by chance, I got an hour in an EC130. Thank goodness for the two hours in the G2 is all I can say! With that tiny bit of experience I can only form the conclusion that the characteristics of the fenestron seem more oriented towards safety of ground personnel and lowering of noise footprint then proper flying characteristics. I don't care for it, and would only choose it as a "necessary evil" if I thought the other positive characteristics of the Airbus, or Guimbal, series of helicopters outweighed the negative of the fenestron.
That said, it is still a damning statistic. That's over 10% of the worldwide fleet in 5 years,and half of it apparently due to loss of yaw control. If the stat gets up that high in the US alone, don't laugh, there could be an SFAR 74. |
I know of 2 others in these parts which had a similar fate.
General consensus is that it is a good aircraft but one that is best operated at sea-level. |
Actually I thought the article was very fair and the authour went to great lengths to make it equitable.
As a long-time user of fenestrons on Gazelle and AS 365 (instructing on both) there is definitely a different feel to one over a conventional TR but both work equally well - just requiring s subtly different technique. It sounds like the GA (H) community are revisiting what was referred to as Fenestron Stall in the UK Military 30 years ago on the Gazelle - it was lack of sufficient right pedal then and it seems to be the same now on the Cabri. Think of it like Nr control in auto - a small input made pre-emptively avoids a larger input required reactively - just a question of anticipation. |
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