Cabri G5
Thread Starter
Joined: Nov 2006
Posts: 1,951
Likes: 90
From: After all, what’s more important than proving to someone on the internet that they’re wrong? - Manson
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 239
Likes: 50
From: San Diego, CA
Yes, just read about this. Huge news for some of us; the G2 has a luxurious-feeling modern cockpit with very efficient use of space and great visibility. The G5 seems to use a similar engine as the 120, but is supposed to be lighter and smaller. (5 seats is the "high-density" configuration, so sounds/looks closer to 66 in size, where 3 seats in back is cramped and 2 is better.) Excited to see how this develops; it's clearly years away from prototype stage but it's great they're working on it.
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 29
Likes: 1
From: north and south
Interesting to see the Marignane connection in the background. Given Bruno’s involvement with the EC120 program back in the 90s, there’s clearly some pedigree behind the project. Let’s hope the MGB lives up to the expectations!
Joined: Apr 2000
Aviation Qualifications: ATP+Mil
Posts: 10,959
Likes: 1,814
From: EGDC
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 446
Likes: 100
From: South East Asia
Yes, just read about this. Huge news for some of us; the G2 has a luxurious-feeling modern cockpit with very efficient use of space and great visibility. The G5 seems to use a similar engine as the 120, but is supposed to be lighter and smaller. (5 seats is the "high-density" configuration, so sounds/looks closer to 66 in size, where 3 seats in back is cramped and 2 is better.)
- Same Fenestron tail rotor seamlessly scaled up
- 3 to 4 blades, so technically the blades do not have to be to be much bigger than the G2 blades, but they are different with an added rounded tip (noise concern expressed)
- Proven engine, that will probably seat and an angle down similar to R66 or H500 (and HX50)
- Full carbon composite fuselage as developed in the G2 (low empty weight expressed)
The G2 really lends itself well to upscaling as it was already designed as a stepping stone trainer that is supposed to feel like a larger H120-H125.
the H120 never lived to its hype, that could be what the H120 never could achieve in overwhole utility: price, range, performance ...
Joined: Jul 2014
Posts: 446
Likes: 100
From: South East Asia
Originally Posted by [email protected]
Between this and the Robinson unmanned programme, his 'innovation' is looking more and more like yesterday's news.
it does not matter that you started in pole position with a great idea, "HX50 full verticalization of the industry to your design", that idea is too heavy, you will not finish in first place.
I paid the price too many time, a great idea does not buy you time, it just buys a chance in the race.
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 29
Likes: 1
From: north and south
That's why I would have preferred 3 blades with a wider chord, in the scale of 350 B original ones (blue) and not something like the120: remember those blades were too narrow in design, then ETL was a real challenge depending on actual load, temps and DA. In fact, almost everyone at the R&D knew and agree the solution to get a B2 version of the 120 using proven dynamic elements from the 350 series, similarly as they did decades ago for the Lama. Anyway, curious to get the first expected performance data, hoping that time BG has listened to the real world feedback.
Joined: Oct 2016
Posts: 168
Likes: 4
From: NW
Joined: Nov 2018
Posts: 239
Likes: 50
From: San Diego, CA
I think this will be certified well before the HC50, even though it's clearly much earlier in development, because it's using off-the-shelf avionics and engine. But the HX50 (experimental) *should* hopefully be flying well before this does.
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 603
Likes: 65
From: South of UK