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Old 7th Mar 2024, 08:46
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Originally Posted by albatross
A very experienced pilot friend and a very smart guy (don’t tell him I said that!) looked at these posts and said “Humm aren’t you folks getting focused on the seaworthiness of the lifeboats on the Titanic and kind of ignoring the cause of the ship hitting the iceberg?” He has a way of saying things like that. He will not post on aviation sites and seldom, if ever, even looks at them, except when I occasionally drag him, kicking and screaming, over to my computer screen. He has a point.
I think what you’re seeing is not a lack of interest from aviators as to why it occurred, but (somewhat surprisingly for prune) a restraint in pointless guesswork as to the cause. I’d like to think in respect to the deceased and crew who are going through a very difficult time, but also because there’s insufficient information to make any assumptions and we will know soon anyway due to there being survivors.

There is however, a significant amount of information that can be discussed about the post accident events gleaned from open source information.
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Old 7th Mar 2024, 13:15
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Of course there is the absence of witness accounts, no video of the accident as it occurred, and other differences from other similar events.....such as the in the other accident a few days before this one.

Witness accounts always engender discussion as they can vary greatly and of course watching a video of something happening presents a great many opportunities for discussion.

The float discussion was just one topic that is of course relevant and as we have seen leads off in several directions as it should.

In time there will be yet more such issues that shall be ripe fruit for examination.....including what caused the aircraft to wind up in the water.

What lessons are learned if there is no discussion amongst professionals of the factors surrounding a crash?
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 05:51
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Looks like cable hanging below the tail boom. That doesn't look like water impact damage there either.
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 05:56
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Black striations on tail rotor paddles? Wire from the hoist?
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 08:16
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Originally Posted by megan
Black striations on tail rotor paddles? Wire from the hoist?
The cabin door was closed, so seem unlikely to be hoist cable - more like TR control cables?
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 08:25
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If you watch the video of the recovery you’ll understand why the tail has that damage.

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Old 9th Mar 2024, 08:58
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Originally Posted by Hot_LZ
If you watch the video of the recovery you’ll understand why the tail has that damage.

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Old 9th Mar 2024, 10:42
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An update from NSIA (only in Norwegian so far) states that the floats were armed, but (obviously) did not inflate.
They speculate that it could be because the sequence of events managed to outsmart the design criteria.
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Old 9th Mar 2024, 11:43
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The cabin door was closed, so seem unlikely to be hoist cable - more like TR control cables?
Just wondering 212, given one of the hoist hooks was missing, wonder too if that white streak (abrasion mark?) below where the hook should be is indicative of anything. Will come out in the wash.


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Old 9th Mar 2024, 12:14
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Originally Posted by GenuineHoverBug
An update from NSIA (only in Norwegian so far) states that the floats were armed, but (obviously) did not inflate.
They speculate that it could be because the sequence of events managed to outsmart the design criteria.

Update March 8, 2024

The investigation is still in an early phase. The Accident Investigation Board has interviewed the five who survived the accident. Together with analysis of data from the tachograph, this is important information to be able to understand why the accident could have happened. There is good dialogue with the parties involved. All findings that are significant for flight safety will be immediately given to the Norwegian Civil Aviation Authority and to the European Aviation Authority, EASA. The American Accident Investigation Board, NTSB, is associated with the investigation with an accredited representative.

So far, no significant discoveries have been made that affect the immediate flight safety.

The survey will also include survival possibilities. This includes both the helicopter's and crew's equipment, the possibility of evacuation and the rescue operation itself.

The helicopter was equipped with floats. These were armed, but were not automatically triggered in the event of a collision with the sea. The flotation elements for the helicopter type are designed for a controlled emergency landing on water. Although the accident appears to have had limited energy when it collided with the sea, it cannot be described as a controlled emergency landing. The fact that floats were not resolved may be because the situation that arose was outside the system's limitations. The Accident Investigation Board cannot thus far say that there is a technical fault with the floats.
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Someone dies, this creates an opportunity for some childish bickering and point scoring. Rather sad.
I miss the childish bickering HC, RH gets boring when we all play nicely!
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