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Old 29th Jul 2023, 18:44
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Originally Posted by Franks Town
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The original decision to lift the injunction last week released its written judgement earlier this week.

https://www.courts.ie/viewer/pdf/fec.../pdf#view=fitH
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"19. A helicopter manufacturer engaged by Bristow provided evidence that the transition period amounts to a ‘very compressed lead-time’ and that standard delivery terms for such helicopters would allow a period of ‘in excess of 20 months from order’ before the delivery of the helicopters."

"51. ... its helicopters are larger, have more cabin space and can fly a longer range without refuelling, than Bristow’s helicopters. ..."

"64. However, the fact that CHC can at one stage say that it is legally obliged to suspend the Service after 30th June, 2025 and so easily say that it is lawful for it to extend the Existing Contract after the 30th June, 2025, undermines the strength of its claim that it is lawful to extend the Existing Contract, when this Court is weighing up the balance of justice."
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Old 29th Jul 2023, 19:19
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Point 89 is the point at which the IRCG and Aviation Advisor assessment team depart from operational reality. Shocking to find out the assessment team had no Technical aircrew or medically qualified personal on the assessment team.
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Old 30th Jul 2023, 13:40
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Originally Posted by Franks Town
Point 89 is the point at which the IRCG and Aviation Advisor assessment team depart from operational reality. Shocking to find out the assessment team had no Technical aircrew or medically qualified personal on the assessment team.
Where did you see the team's members listed?
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Where did you see the team's members listed?
I'm unsure if the "evaluation board" names are listed anywhere but It is true there was no medical or TC experts involved in evaluating the bids.
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Old 31st Jul 2023, 08:31
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Originally Posted by Winchingout
I'm unsure if the "evaluation board" names are listed anywhere but It is true there was no medical or TC experts involved in evaluating the bids.
So by which method was Ireland trying to shoot itself in the foot this time? Was it a rejection of the low paid help or another nationality issue or both?
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Originally Posted by jimf671
So by which method was Ireland trying to shoot itself in the foot this time? Was it a rejection of the low paid help or another nationality issue or both?
I'm unsure what logic (if any) was used. It would appear that the current providers bid based on the experience of providing a combined SAR and HEMS service didn't appeal to the "evaluation board". I wish Bristow well with the transition, there are great staff in CHC Ireland, and they might not all agree it is a better solution but they will work to get the best for the CG
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Old 31st Jul 2023, 12:13
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“ Low paid help” “ another nationality issue
What are you on about?
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Originally Posted by Franks Town
“ Low paid help” “ another nationality issue
What are you on about?
I think he's suggesting that the powers that be were not interested in the opinions of the technical crews (rear crew) due to some form of snobbery. I believe there have also been suggestions of "if you're not Irish then we're not interested in your opinion " in the past.
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Old 22nd Aug 2023, 13:06
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https://d1io3yog0oux5.cloudfront.net...NTRACT_539.pdf


Best of luck with this work of fiction timeline
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 09:27
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"if you're not Irish then we're not interested in your opinion " in the past.
Yes, it happened to a mate of mine who worked for them, he was a very experienced ex-mil QHI and NVGI and was completely ignored in favour of two nationals with no experience in either area when they wanted to introduce NVG.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 19:09
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... ignored in favour of two nationals with no experience in either area when they wanted were pretending to introduce NVG.
There. Fixed that for you Crab.

A shameful episode.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 19:32
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Thanks Jim - good point as they failed miserably to make it happen - as we have discussed before, NVG would have saved some lives.
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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 20:57
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From what I believe, Bristow’s man who will run Ireland was one of those who joined to teach NVG but was forced out.

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Old 23rd Aug 2023, 21:29
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The original plan was to have Heli Ops provide 2 pilot and 1 technical crew instructor all ex RN. Started that way . Covid hit . Heli Ops pulled the plug on the contract.I thing the guy you have in mind was in BRS lived in Ireland and looked to jump in a direct entry Commander. Union got involved. It doesn’t happen and back to BRS he went.Now leading the charge on the BIL transition in Ireland and all things SAR . He was with Heli ops during the S92 transition back in the day. They then looked in house and got one ex RN ( English)and one ex AAC (Scottish)with NVIS experience . No nationals involved!. Both went to CAE for reval . Not saying it was the most efficient way as per the Comtroller General report. No nationals involved Crab the way you and Jimbo spell in out.. Just CHC employees from other countries .
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Frank's Town - my friends involvement (or lack of it) was before it got to the stage of involving Heliops, they wanted to do it all in house to start with hence the trawl through their existing pilots and the pushing to the fore of two unqualified nationals instead of my mate.

I'm guessing eventually reality kicked in and they realised they need to go outside for a training provider - at which point Heliops got involved.
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Well I hope your mate has taken his S92 and NVIS experience to pastures more tropical.
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Old 24th Aug 2023, 11:01
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Sadly he sports a different pair of wings now
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Old 28th Aug 2023, 15:11
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Nice aircraft if your a pilot or seated pax in the back. For SAR it’s a poor work place for Technical crew who are getting older and retiring pretty fast. I think the Irish Coast Guard and their external aviation advisor have bought new and shiny from a seller who has shown his wears in the U.K. and Dutch services.
I liken to know how TC guys in U.K. SAR feel having flown in the 92 while waiting for the 189 or came straight from SK into the back of a 189 feel about the work environment?
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Originally Posted by Franks Town
Nice aircraft if your a pilot or seated pax in the back. For SAR it’s a poor work place for Technical crew who are getting older and retiring pretty fast. I think the Irish Coast Guard and their external aviation advisor have bought new and shiny from a seller who has shown his wears in the U.K. and Dutch services.
I liken to know how TC guys in U.K. SAR feel having flown in the 92 while waiting for the 189 or came straight from SK into the back of a 189 feel about the work environment?

Speaking to TC's, I would say its split at least 65% in favour of the 189 over the S92, for instance door entry with a stretcher is allot more easy in a 189, plus you don't get that random downdraft buffeting while on the wire just below the door due to the sponson like on the 92. Is it perfect in a 189, far from. Is it due to hopefully get better with a change of layout in the back... hopefully.
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