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Old 20th Mar 2023, 09:20
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Grrr Germany wants to replace Tiger anti-tank helicopters with H145M's...

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The fleet of Tigers attack helicopters would be phased out in the now leaked confidential plan from 2027 to 2035
and partly replaced by 24 Airbus H145M with special armament and armor.

It goes without saying that such a plan will be the subject of many discussions within and outside the German army and politics.

Military experts will have their comments on the Airbus H145M as an attack helicopter,

while defenders of this plan will note that it will already outperform Tigers languishing on the ground.

Undoubtedly to be continued
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Old 20th Mar 2023, 10:56
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A rebuild of Bo105 PAH-1 sounds good at this point!
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Buy the ex ADF 22 x Tigers when we get rid of them to supplement their fleet.
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It makes sense to change to proven, capable and versatile H145Ms instead of upgrading the Tiger.
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Originally Posted by Less Hair
It makes sense to change to proven, capable and versatile H145Ms instead of upgrading the Tiger.
Yep, let's take a plastic helicopter whose control runs go through the windscreen (!!!) and use it for combat. One well placed 50 Cal round through the centre join of the windscreen, and the crew are passengers.
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Old 21st Mar 2023, 02:28
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One well placed 50 Cal round through the centre join of the windscreen, and the crew are passengers.
Not that I disagree with you, but one well placed 50 Cal in many different areas of just about any helicopter will have the same profound result.
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Old 21st Mar 2023, 05:09
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shouldn't Germany wait for another chopper?

Wouldnt the best replacement for the troubled Tiger be another armored purpose built bird, and not a side-by-side utility bird? Leonardo is developing the AW249, successor to the A-129 family. Maybe sensors, and not Apache-level armor and speed isn't as paramount to European armies these days, who knows. Could they also wait for the winner of the FARA competition (Bell 360 v Sikorsky Raider X) to have a whole new generation of abilities?
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Old 21st Mar 2023, 14:55
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The Germans are, and have been for some time, defence freeloaders. They are quite happy to spend their euro's on home grown products they know are completely unsuitable as Vlad in Invader will have to get through the Polish, who are well trained and equipped, first, whilst Otto and his mates await assistance from the US, UK & Canada.

I wish the EU nothing but success, but I don't see why we should waste the lives of any more generations on their security, when they won't take their own defence seriously.
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Old 21st Mar 2023, 20:15
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Originally Posted by minigundiplomat
The Germans are, and have been for some time, defence freeloaders. They are quite happy to spend their euro's on home grown products they know are completely unsuitable as Vlad in Invader will have to get through the Polish, who are well trained and equipped, first, whilst Otto and his mates await assistance from the US, UK & Canada.

I wish the EU nothing but success, but I don't see why we should waste the lives of any more generations on their security, when they won't take their own defence seriously.
Care to explain how the UK is wasting lives to ensure EU security? I hope you are not thinking Afganistan or Iraq...
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Old 21st Mar 2023, 20:36
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It seems that the rest of the world is quite happy to spend money on German home-grown stuff as well, looking at their arms export data.
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It seems that the rest of the world is quite happy to spend money on German home-grown stuff as well, looking at their arms export data.
​​​​​​​Russia exports a lot of arms - can't understand why they aren't doing better in Ukraine?
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