Airbus175M Video
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From: Used to be God's own County
The H175M does not yet exist outside of the brochure. Typical arrogance from an OEM with their smoke and mirrors ;-)
video demonstrates how far off the mark Airbus UK is from what is required in battlefield.
video demonstrates how far off the mark Airbus UK is from what is required in battlefield.
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From: The 4th dimentia.....
Why do we have it offshore with mixed serviceability yet the UK military are supposed to buy it? Could they not just com to ABZ and ask the end users? Or NWI even?
and why did the French military not buy it when they have even bought the totally unproven H160. They always buy whatever comes from Marignane.
and why did the French military not buy it when they have even bought the totally unproven H160. They always buy whatever comes from Marignane.
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From: Parts Unknown
If H175M is selected for NMH, then Airbus have said that they will move the global 175 production facility to North Wales. Do not underestimate the weight this will carry in the selection process.
Also, the use of the 135/145 at MFTS, with the same Helionix cockpit, means a short and cheap conversation to type. The MFTS experience of Airbus is very positive in terms of serviceability and availability- these things all carry weight.
I am told that Airbus believe there is a potential global market for the 175M of around 500 aircraft, but they need a high-profile launch customer. Because of this, stand-by for them to bid sn extremely competitive price, maybe even sell at cost (or a loss?) to get the future business that this contract would attract.
Much of this can be said for LH with the also unproven 149. However, with the disaster that Merlin and Wildcat have been in terms of problems, costs and availability, I would like to think that the MOD have learned their lesson and will run as far as possible from the Yeovil mafia with their deep ties to the Russian state.
Also, the use of the 135/145 at MFTS, with the same Helionix cockpit, means a short and cheap conversation to type. The MFTS experience of Airbus is very positive in terms of serviceability and availability- these things all carry weight.
I am told that Airbus believe there is a potential global market for the 175M of around 500 aircraft, but they need a high-profile launch customer. Because of this, stand-by for them to bid sn extremely competitive price, maybe even sell at cost (or a loss?) to get the future business that this contract would attract.
Much of this can be said for LH with the also unproven 149. However, with the disaster that Merlin and Wildcat have been in terms of problems, costs and availability, I would like to think that the MOD have learned their lesson and will run as far as possible from the Yeovil mafia with their deep ties to the Russian state.
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From: Out there
That right there is why it's almost guaranteed to happen. I worked for governments and they NEVER learn from the mistakes of the past! The last people that should be involved in any procurement of any kind are people from a government department. Clueless!
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From: Australia
Not so much a hate fest, just an aircraft not capable of doing the job, an Airbus product the H225M would be a better choice, ease of training for 330 guy's to 225, but Black Hawk still the choice machine.
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Regarding EESDL and Blackhawk9's points, I think exactly the same could be said of another product being proposed for the competition....
We all know what the right answer for the aviators and troops is. Sadly we also know the right answer for the politicians.
Neither of those answers is likely to involve airbus as the one they've got a shot at doesn't stack up against the competition. Saving existing jobs is likely to take precedence over creating new jobs in the same industry in a different location.
We all know what the right answer for the aviators and troops is. Sadly we also know the right answer for the politicians.
Neither of those answers is likely to involve airbus as the one they've got a shot at doesn't stack up against the competition. Saving existing jobs is likely to take precedence over creating new jobs in the same industry in a different location.
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From: Parts Unknown
Regarding EESDL and Blackhawk9's points, I think exactly the same could be said of another product being proposed for the competition....
We all know what the right answer for the aviators and troops is. Sadly we also know the right answer for the politicians.
Neither of those answers is likely to involve airbus as the one they've got a shot at doesn't stack up against the competition. Saving existing jobs is likely to take precedence over creating new jobs in the same industry in a different location.
We all know what the right answer for the aviators and troops is. Sadly we also know the right answer for the politicians.
Neither of those answers is likely to involve airbus as the one they've got a shot at doesn't stack up against the competition. Saving existing jobs is likely to take precedence over creating new jobs in the same industry in a different location.
H175 would be a safer bet, but only the Blackhawk actually does the job the NMH must fulfill. However, it won’t win if it is not built in the UK.
Last edited by Baldeep Inminj; 2nd January 2023 at 14:47.
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From: Used to be God's own County
incredulous - for a machine still going through enforces ‘maturity’ after an extended delay to cert and introduction. Flying them when they were down to 400 FH TBO mustn’t have been much fun!
Ref Politics and AW - more seats to lose in NE than SW ……
Ref Politics and AW - more seats to lose in NE than SW ……
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From: The Alps
cheers
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From: Parts Unknown
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From: Used to be God's own County
Rumour has it NMH on back burner due to lack of funds. Hairbrush and Liarnardo final straw offering aircraft not fit for purpose with additional and extensive development costs required?
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So, all set up nicely for Boeing and AceHawk offering to satisfy SF requirement and release savings for Chinook funding / spares ;-)
Rumour has it NMH on back burner due to lack of funds. Hairbrush and Liarnardo final straw offering aircraft not fit for purpose with additional and extensive development costs required?
Rumour has it NMH on back burner due to lack of funds. Hairbrush and Liarnardo final straw offering aircraft not fit for purpose with additional and extensive development costs required?
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From: Geneva, Switzerland
Honnest question: what are we seeing here ? CGI ? Or not an actual H175M ? Just trying to understand your remark.