Covid Vaccines And Reported After Effects Of Concern To Pilots
ACIP members agreed there is a likely association between the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines and rare cases of heart inflammation in adolescents and young adults. Almost all the cases resolved with little treatment and patients recovered quickly. The advisers said that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks.
Earlier this week, vaccine advisers to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention heard that the agency had received about 1,200 reports of such heart inflammation after 300 million doses of the two vaccines had been given. CDC has confirmed about 300 of those cases, many of them among young men and adolescents.
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But patients are recovering quickly, Dr. Matthew Oster, a pediatric cardiologist, told the advisers.
From the US FAA website.....FAQ Page re Covid Vaccines.
https://www.faa.gov/coronavirus/guid...es/vaccine_faq
Generally....no flying duties for 48 hours following a vaccine dose.
If any adverse symptoms exist or occur after the 48 Hour stand down.....you are grounded until you have complied with existing regulations re fitness for duty as determined by an Aviation Medical Examiner using established protocols.
https://www.faa.gov/coronavirus/guid...es/vaccine_faq
Generally....no flying duties for 48 hours following a vaccine dose.
If any adverse symptoms exist or occur after the 48 Hour stand down.....you are grounded until you have complied with existing regulations re fitness for duty as determined by an Aviation Medical Examiner using established protocols.
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Crab,
I was by no means in the "adolescent / young men" age bracket either, but it was real enough and was the most frightening and debilitating illness I've experienced. I definitely had not had COVID.
I was by no means in the "adolescent / young men" age bracket either, but it was real enough and was the most frightening and debilitating illness I've experienced. I definitely had not had COVID.
In 2021 I chose to have the AZ jabs as I felt the possible main side effects (clotting) were 'better' than the possible Pfizer side effects. There was quite a lot of 'pressure' to get the jabs at work.
Jabs were fine (I was on an anti coagulation med at the time, due a recent ablation). Out of curiosity I got tested for 'jab' antibodies (Roche test) 1 month after 2nd jab, i June 2021. Score out of 0-2500 was 621, which apparently was a reasonable amount of antibodies. 6 months later, December 2021 there was more 'pressure' to have booster. So I got Roche tested again. This came back as 599. Hardly a drop and still a good level. So I declined booster, especially as I couldn't specify the AZ one again but would have to have the Pfizer.
September 2022 I had a spot of covid. Pos lat flow tests for 5 days. I checked for 'jab' antibodies a month later (same Roche test, same lab) .... 2500 max score !
So no m-RNA boosters for me ! I've had the the natural version !
and work agreed this time when I discussed my jab antibody 'scores'. .....no point in a booster, I had the real thing !.......especially as latest research is showing that current booster generated antibodies are giving little protection from the very latest covid strains.
Perhaps it's time to put our big pants on and face the enemy !
Jabs were fine (I was on an anti coagulation med at the time, due a recent ablation). Out of curiosity I got tested for 'jab' antibodies (Roche test) 1 month after 2nd jab, i June 2021. Score out of 0-2500 was 621, which apparently was a reasonable amount of antibodies. 6 months later, December 2021 there was more 'pressure' to have booster. So I got Roche tested again. This came back as 599. Hardly a drop and still a good level. So I declined booster, especially as I couldn't specify the AZ one again but would have to have the Pfizer.
September 2022 I had a spot of covid. Pos lat flow tests for 5 days. I checked for 'jab' antibodies a month later (same Roche test, same lab) .... 2500 max score !
So no m-RNA boosters for me ! I've had the the natural version !
and work agreed this time when I discussed my jab antibody 'scores'. .....no point in a booster, I had the real thing !.......especially as latest research is showing that current booster generated antibodies are giving little protection from the very latest covid strains.
Perhaps it's time to put our big pants on and face the enemy !
Perhaps it's time to put our big pants on and face the enemy !
Shy, I know you, like me, are no spring chicken but I think you were very unlucky. Sorry to hear about it.
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Until the next variant turns up..........
time TUI very kindly let me rebook for later in the year.
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Shy, I know you, like me, are no spring chicken but I think you were very unlucky. Sorry to hear about it.
I think there will be more to come on this subject in future times. I was very much "pro" vaccination until my illness occurred but I'm sure you'll understand why I won't be risking taking any further doses. If that places future restrictions on my lifestyle, I can live with that, in all senses of the expression.
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For those that have had side effects from the Vaccines.....any kind of immune system illnesses in. your past?
Such as Rheumatic Fever or anything similar?
Reading this Article that focused upon German Government Data....that was a question that was mentioned as being a concern.
I offer the linked article only as being the source that generated my interest and not so much as being a document that should be debated here.
I did post it In the Jet Blast Covid thread where the Report itself can be discussed.
What I am curious about is if the suggestion prior illnesses or exposure to prior illnesses could be a factor to be considered when one decides to take a Vaccine or Vaccine Booster shot and thus perhaps trigger a potential problem for maintaining a Medial Qualification.
https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.c...dataset-of-the
Such as Rheumatic Fever or anything similar?
Reading this Article that focused upon German Government Data....that was a question that was mentioned as being a concern.
I offer the linked article only as being the source that generated my interest and not so much as being a document that should be debated here.
I did post it In the Jet Blast Covid thread where the Report itself can be discussed.
What I am curious about is if the suggestion prior illnesses or exposure to prior illnesses could be a factor to be considered when one decides to take a Vaccine or Vaccine Booster shot and thus perhaps trigger a potential problem for maintaining a Medial Qualification.
https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.c...dataset-of-the
Responded to this on Jet Blast SASless. I do not want to play down the side effects, or ignore the question of under-reporting, but it is important to be clear about the sources and quality of the research and data the correlations which are being made/suggested. Some of the research is for the birds and the actors promoting it are known political disruptors (aka anti-system nutters). The material is largely being pushed by the AFD, an extreme right party that none pf the other German parties will enter into a coalition with. And given that they have the Greens and neo-liberals in one, that says a lot. The supposedly courageous truth-telling BKK board member got fired after the info was found to be wrong. Truth and transparency are important, but this isn‘t it.
4 events in 17 million vaccinees and 34 million vaccinations Jim.
You read the proviso on those 4 events too, right?
They FDA did not take action because the researchers concluded the benefits of vaccination outweighed the risks in the studied population, over 65s
It is ‘t saying what you would like it to.
You read the proviso on those 4 events too, right?
They FDA did not take action because the researchers concluded the benefits of vaccination outweighed the risks in the studied population, over 65s
It is ‘t saying what you would like it to.
Perhaps there will be research to come showing a higher rate of reactions. But so far, the research and people promoting it have been discredited in short order. Is that a conspiracy? No. Just a rebuttal of rubbish research and false information.
That still doesn‘t mean that there isn‘t an issue. It just needs better data and more credible presentation.
Sorry to hear that you lost your career due to the covid vaccination Jayteetoo. But it must be reassuring to learn that officially there is no such thing as an adverse reaction and now they can't call you a swivel-eyed anti-vaxer, conspiracy theorist.
Looked through the paper and that is what is said Jim. It may not be an intuitive fit to the reports by Rotorheads here, but you can‘t make it say what it does not.
Perhaps there will be research to come showing a higher rate of reactions. But so far, the research and people promoting it have been discredited in short order. Is that a conspiracy? No. Just a rebuttal of rubbish research and false information.
That still doesn‘t mean that there isn‘t an issue. It just needs better data and more credible presentation.
Perhaps there will be research to come showing a higher rate of reactions. But so far, the research and people promoting it have been discredited in short order. Is that a conspiracy? No. Just a rebuttal of rubbish research and false information.
That still doesn‘t mean that there isn‘t an issue. It just needs better data and more credible presentation.
In addition, the vaccine has been REPORTED to have killed 2362 people in uk up to same date as above
Keep in mind the estimated under reporting percentage, add a zero to the end of the Myocarditis stats...
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Is there an issue with reporting of serious side effects, at any or many levels? Reported experiences here suggests there might be. Sadly many of the actors flagging this as an issue are known to be unreliable and have repeatedly offered very poor evidence and have added (in some cases knowingly) to the confusion.
helicrazi, you didn‘t reference your deaths in the UK caused vaccine (?). Perhaps you could?
helicrazi, you didn‘t reference your deaths in the UK caused vaccine (?). Perhaps you could?
Is there an issue with reporting of serious side effects, at any or many levels? Reported experiences here suggests there might be. Sadly many of the actors flagging this as an issue are known to be unreliable and have repeatedly offered very poor evidence and have added (in some cases knowingly) to the confusion.
helicrazi, you didn‘t reference your deaths in the UK caused vaccine (?). Perhaps you could?
helicrazi, you didn‘t reference your deaths in the UK caused vaccine (?). Perhaps you could?
I see, you have summed the deaths in tables 11 & 12 to get the number.
The report is more circumspect though, stating the numbers are based on the reporter‘s (yellow card) opinion on causality. The problem of lack of control for pre-conditions is also mentioned. Saying the vaccines killed 2362 people is a bald Interpretation that the report doesn’t make.
Plus there is the question of relative risk, both for the individuals involved and the whole population. How many of those 2362 people would have died had they not been vaccinated/boosted? How many (more) people would have died had there been no vaccination programme? Vaccination is meant to provoke an immune response, so some side effects are to be expected. If you vaccinate very large numbers of people, there will almost inevitably be a small number of severe adverse reactions, and some of those will be fatal. Dreadful for those involved, but not really surprising. Of course if the proportion of those events is relatively high, then it means the vaccine/s are not safe/worth the risk.
The question is whether the side effects and consequences of vaccination with one or more vaccines represents a greater risk than the illness it is trying to mitigate. Clearly the health authorities don‘t think so. And given the number of Covid-related deaths I‘m not surprised. Covid also kills people. Some people try and play that down, but the evidence for that is so obvious that you virtually have to pole vault over the it*
And none of the above changes the impression of higher risk (of debilitating side effects) than officially reported that the posts by ppruners here makes. That is really concerning.
* UK deaths from Covid are at 2904 per million. The UK has a population of 68 million. Puts the relative risk into perspective wouldn‘t you say?
The report is more circumspect though, stating the numbers are based on the reporter‘s (yellow card) opinion on causality. The problem of lack of control for pre-conditions is also mentioned. Saying the vaccines killed 2362 people is a bald Interpretation that the report doesn’t make.
Plus there is the question of relative risk, both for the individuals involved and the whole population. How many of those 2362 people would have died had they not been vaccinated/boosted? How many (more) people would have died had there been no vaccination programme? Vaccination is meant to provoke an immune response, so some side effects are to be expected. If you vaccinate very large numbers of people, there will almost inevitably be a small number of severe adverse reactions, and some of those will be fatal. Dreadful for those involved, but not really surprising. Of course if the proportion of those events is relatively high, then it means the vaccine/s are not safe/worth the risk.
The question is whether the side effects and consequences of vaccination with one or more vaccines represents a greater risk than the illness it is trying to mitigate. Clearly the health authorities don‘t think so. And given the number of Covid-related deaths I‘m not surprised. Covid also kills people. Some people try and play that down, but the evidence for that is so obvious that you virtually have to pole vault over the it*
And none of the above changes the impression of higher risk (of debilitating side effects) than officially reported that the posts by ppruners here makes. That is really concerning.
* UK deaths from Covid are at 2904 per million. The UK has a population of 68 million. Puts the relative risk into perspective wouldn‘t you say?
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Now that Twitter censorship has been exposed (hopefully other big tech to follow) - more information and articles are emerging. The myocarditis issue is interesting and there have been a number of recent studies that show an anomaly. Here is one article: https://ravarora.substack.com/p/why-...5OtmeAdTIHGdEc
Don't bother to fact check the author as Google is still able to censor and disparage anyone not following the narrative - as eloquently explained here: https://brownstone.org/articles/how-...-ruined-lives/
Don't bother to fact check the author as Google is still able to censor and disparage anyone not following the narrative - as eloquently explained here: https://brownstone.org/articles/how-...-ruined-lives/