R44 crash w/video - Forresters Beach NSW - 19/11/2022

[Bell_ringer]

Originally Posted by Robbiee

Wow,...if you're doing that, you need a better instructor, lol.

Robbiee old chum, a grown man saying “lol” in the twenty-twenties is as wrong as the same ageing bloke wearing a budgie smuggler. It’s very hard to take anything seriously when it’s followed by a #rofl..

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by Bell_ringer

Robbiee old chum, a grown man saying “lol” in the twenty-twenties is as wrong as the same ageing bloke wearing a budgie smuggler. It’s very hard to take anything seriously when it’s followed by a #rofl..

Hmm, I don't know what "#rofl.." means, so maybe you're right. Guess I'll just go back to emojis.

[Ascend Charlie]

Robbiieee, it's a natural progression from LOL to ROFL to the ultimate of LMFAO, any teenybopper knows that.

[nomorehelosforme]

Robbiee,

Not understanding “old chum” might put you on a “sticky wicket” don’t take everything in life too seriously….

[[email protected]]

Someone in California doesn't know what ROFL means??????? Like wow dude.........

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

Someone in California doesn't know what ROFL means??????? Like wow dude.........

I don't know what "California Cuisine" is either.

[Aluminium Mallard]

Originally Posted by Robbiee

Wow,...if you're doing that, you need a better instructor, lol.

When you say you/you're, you mean them/they right?

Restricting the governor with a overly firm grip is an issue with tense students and low time pilots.
On some older machines the governor stepper motor gets tired and the (non-adjustable) friction clutch wears resulting in a "weak" governor that is easily overridden.

Some examples from the archives below:

You Tube

You Tube

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by Aluminium Mallard

When you say you/you're, you mean them/they right?

Restricting the governor with a overly firm grip is an issue with tense students and low time pilots.
On some older machines the governor stepper motor gets tired and the (non-adjustable) friction clutch wears resulting in a "weak" governor that is easily overridden.

Some examples from the archives below:

https://youtu.be/0blbra-bUIY
https://youtu.be/fe2CN0SIwTk

The way good (experienced) Robby instructors deal with the death grip, is to instruct the student to place their three back fingers on the collective so that only the thumb and indext fingers are lightly touching the throttle. This way as the student tightens their grip it doesn't override the governor.

I was taught this in 2003 and still do it to this day.

[Ascend Charlie]

LTE, if it existed, would cease after maybe 180 degrees of yaw and the T/R is out of the problem area. That news chopper had the low RPM warning on for AGES, spinning for ages, so I am wondering what the heck she was doing (apart from breathing heavily) - it wasn't anything useful.

The R44 video didn't really show anything except a high power setting resulting in RPM decay.

And yes, the grip on the collective should be the little and third fingers around the collective shaft and the thumb, forefinger and middle finger operating/monitoring the throttle.

[ShyTorque]

Originally Posted by Bell_ringer

Robbiee old chum, a grown man saying “lol” in the twenty-twenties is as wrong as the same ageing bloke wearing a budgie smuggler. It’s very hard to take anything seriously when it’s followed by a #rofl..

According to Robbie’s profile, she’s not a man.

[Bell_ringer]

Originally Posted by ShyTorque

she’s not a man.

It’s California. Who is?

[[email protected]]

But what does she/he/they identify as???

i think the answer is - helicopter pilot

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by [email protected]

But what does she/he/they identify as???

i think the answer is - helicopter pilot

I identify as "A simple loser running out the clock".

However, in light of my State's recent decent into lunacy, I've replaced all my pronouns with "asshole". Therefore, you may refer to me as, "That asshole". Thank you, and have a nice day.

[RickNRoll]

Why were they allowed to even try to land there?

[Twist & Shout]

Originally Posted by RickNRoll

Why were they allowed to even try to land there?

Who would you put in charge of deciding where is suitable to land, if not the PIC?

[SASless]

....you may refer to me as, "That asshole".

Mon Sweet....some. here have been doing that long before your State going completely over the edge.​​​​​​​

[belly tank]

Firstly to point out, Im not a tick tokker

Here is another angle https://www.tiktok.com/@grants1990/v...50368413781250

[RickNRoll]

Originally Posted by Twist & Shout

Who would you put in charge of deciding where is suitable to land, if not the PIC?

They say he was trying to land in the hotel carpark according to the story. That doesn't sound safe unless you are an expert and you have to land there.

[Aluminium Mallard]

Originally Posted by Robbiee

The way good (experienced) Robby instructors deal with the death grip, is to instruct the student to place their three back fingers on the collective so that only the thumb and indext fingers are lightly touching the throttle. This way as the student tightens their grip it doesn't override the governor.

I was taught this in 2003 and still do it to this day.

I wasn't taught that... but used to do it as a low hour pilot. I found later on when I started instructing it prevents you from manipulating the throttle... mainly in tail rotor failures and governor off ops.

Any sign of tension in a student should be addressed, but it can be a bit of work. Much easier to get them to hold the collective differently and tick a box but you are setting them up to fail.

[Robbiee]

Originally Posted by Aluminium Mallard

I wasn't taught that... but used to do it as a low hour pilot. I found later on when I started instructing it prevents you from manipulating the throttle... mainly in tail rotor failures and governor off ops.

Any sign of tension in a student should be addressed, but it can be a bit of work. Much easier to get them to hold the collective differently and tick a box but you are setting them up to fail.

Never had any problem manipulating the throttle during the once in a blue moon (i.e. during BFRs) times I've had to do Governor off and/or Tail Rotor Failure,...just slid my hand up, takes like two seconds, but as the kids say,...

you do you.