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R44 crash w/video - Forresters Beach NSW - 19/11/2022

Old 19th Nov 2022, 08:12
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R44 VH-TKI down on the NSW Central Coast

VH-TKI looks to have crashed at Foresters Beach on the Central Coast earlier this evening. The KRviatrix just sent me a video showing what appears to be the pilot trying to do a PS&L before yawing and disappearing from view and hitting wires, with multiple people reported trapped.

For those with FB, this link should work if you click here.

EDIT: Latest report is two with minor injuries, the third is to be assessed by the team from Westpac, so there's some good news.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 02:44
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No idea what a PS&L is but as a helo pilot I'd say he got too slow and the power demand asked was such that he ran out of left pedal, and away we go.
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No idea what a PS&L is but as a helo pilot I'd say he got too slow and the power demand asked was such that he ran out of left pedal, and away we go.
I'll defer to your fling-wing experience megan - I've flown in them plenty of times, but not flown them so don't know many loss-of-control triggers.

PS&L was a reference to precautionary search & landing. I lived on the coast for many years and can't recall there being any helipads out that way beyond this one on the way out to Erina. The actual crash site was within a couple hundred yards of here, on the Central Coast Hwy between Tumbi Rd & Cresthaven Ave nearly 10km away, which made me consider he's looking for a place to put her down for some reason. Other than that, there's no reason I can see that he'd be that low and slow in that area.
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Old 20th Nov 2022, 09:19
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I’d say he was looking for a place to crash…..
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he's looking for a place to put her down for some reason.
Going to a birthday party at the pub.
Birthday girl on board.
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Going to a birthday party at the pub.
Birthday girl on board.
That will be a birthday that she will not forget. I hope for all involved it will be a speedy recovery and the injuries not too serious.
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 01:51
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R44 crash w/video - Forresters Beach NSW - 19/11/2022

I'll take a guess with LTE? Very windy on southeast coast of Oz lately. All were okay. The news focused on hitting the power lines but that was clearly the secondary issue!


Got to love the news byline: "It's hard to crash your own birthday party, but that's exactly what's happened to a woman and her husband at Forresters Beach when their helicopter hit power lines yesterday. Incredibly, everyone survived but the traumatic scenes unfolded in front of the couple's family and friends."
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I'll take a guess with LTE?
Oh, dear...it was a guess, but an uninformed one.

There ain't no such animal as LTE, as explained by multiple test pilots such as Nick Lappos and John Dixson over the years. Search for "Helicopter urban myths" on this site.

Demanding more from the tail rotor than it can produce is a more likely cause. Frank Robinson was a tail rotor expert and it is difficult to get into a situation like the one depicted without some significant mishandling.
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 05:06
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Looks like maybe he got too slow in a tailwind, then his feet were asleep on the pedals?
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 05:50
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Just looks like another case of power available being less than power required.
I'd bet a cold one that there was a rpm siren shrieking it's head off.
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie View Post
Oh, dear...it was a guess, but an uninformed one.

There ain't no such animal as LTE, as explained by multiple test pilots such as Nick Lappos and John Dixson over the years. Search for "Helicopter urban myths" on this site.

Demanding more from the tail rotor than it can produce is a more likely cause. Frank Robinson was a tail rotor expert and it is difficult to get into a situation like the one depicted without some significant mishandling.
Now Charlie I'm going to have to argue with you on this one.

LTE - Lack of Talent and Experience!

There see.... ;-)
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 09:29
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I have a lot of hours logged in TKI, (when it was a C172.) - before it crashed (as a C172).
Is this the "Christine" of aircraft callsigns.?
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 10:40
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Evil, how many times do I have to tell you:
LTE - Lack of Talent and Experience!
It's LACK OF TRAINING AND EXPERIENCE. But a lack of talent would certainly be a factor. We saw enough of that, didn't we.....
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 13:50
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Think overpitching here. Notice the ac actually yaws to the left as he slows down, that application of pedal will slow the MR down, I guess he pulls more power with collective, which reduces translational lift as the nose goes up a bit and the Tr says I have had enough and gives up !
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How do talentless f**kwits like this keep getting licences?
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How do talentless f**kwits like this keep getting licences?
Must be all the pioneering work of the family Robinson that we hear so much about. At least itís good for business.
Canít be shoddy training and poor oversight. Definitely not.
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Old 21st Nov 2022, 19:34
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It looks like a case of running out of power and ideas all at the same time.

That never ends well.
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
It looks like a case of running out of power and ideas all at the same time.

That never ends well.
R44's have plenty of power (certainly at sea level). Maybe he was just too heavy?
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He might have had plenty of power, but when you demand more from the T/R than it can produce (not its fault) then the Waltz Into the Black Forest begins.
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He might have had plenty of power, but when you demand more from the T/R than it can produce (not its fault) then the Waltz Into the Black Forest begins.
Hard to imagine that happening at sea level in a 44. Those things have really great tail rotor authority. I've never heard of anyone reaching the pedal stop on a 44, but I guess anything's possible?
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