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Yep - Texas has it right about everything......yawn - even getting rid of mandatory mask wearing in the middle of a pandemic.
Plenty of us are used to gun culture - it is ingrained from day 1 in the military and shooting all manner of weapons from helicopters is best left to professionals.
Plenty of us are used to gun culture - it is ingrained from day 1 in the military and shooting all manner of weapons from helicopters is best left to professionals.
I get the need to control the hog population and understand the efficiency of using helicopters - but what is the justification for the use of assault rifles when a number of other options might work too. Or can't they shoot straight in Texas?
Finally, crab, you have no idea if any of those hunters have not already, or aren't currently, serving their country. To say things about that is just trolling for trouble, a habit of yours when people express ideas you don't agree with.
Unlike other countries, in the US firearms skills are not the exclusive domain of the military or law enforcement. In the US there are a great many civilians with more individual weapons training and experience than armed "professionals". Millions of law-abiding civilians in the US walk around all day, ever day with their handguns on their person, fully loaded, ready for use, with near zero problems. A tremendous amount of civilian ammo goes down range, far more than the military uses, every year, again with near zero problems.
Equally, spraying a bunch of rounds down range at the weekend is no indicator of competence or safety - much like practicing instrument flying in VMC and expecting yourself to be ready for IIMC.
Even a PPLH holder is expected to show some level of competence before being let loose solo !
Maybe those hunters have served, maybe not - you don't know either but apparently you are correct and not me.
BTW, anyone who tells you that they are "fun to shoot" or "easy to shoot", and a bunch of other fluffy stuff like that
Out of interest, are these guys going for single shot kills?
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The big difference is that the military and law enforcement are subject to competency checks and compliance with rules of engagement - how may of your millions of civilians have to comply with that?
Equally, spraying a bunch of rounds down range at the weekend is no indicator of competence or safety - much like practicing instrument flying in VMC and expecting yourself to be ready for IIMC.
Even a PPLH holder is expected to show some level of competence before being let loose solo !
Maybe those hunters have served, maybe not - you don't know either but apparently you are correct and not me.
I'm quite capable of making my own assessment of a weapon thanks - the AR 15 is 'easy to shoot' as it happens but not as devastating as an AK47
Out of interest, are these guys going for single shot kills?
Equally, spraying a bunch of rounds down range at the weekend is no indicator of competence or safety - much like practicing instrument flying in VMC and expecting yourself to be ready for IIMC.
Even a PPLH holder is expected to show some level of competence before being let loose solo !
Maybe those hunters have served, maybe not - you don't know either but apparently you are correct and not me.
I'm quite capable of making my own assessment of a weapon thanks - the AR 15 is 'easy to shoot' as it happens but not as devastating as an AK47
Out of interest, are these guys going for single shot kills?
So it doesn't take much of a look on youtube to see that - far from the noble farmer protecting his crops -shooting the hogs from helicopters has turned into a business opportunity.
What used to be an expensive outlay for the farmers is now a lucrative ($2,400 dollars pp for 2 hours!) business - they clearly have no incentive to reduce the number of hogs or they wouldn't be able to sell the trips to the tourists (both domestic and foreign) who want to come and shoot things without fear of repercussions.
So I think we are back to DBs assessment of these people.
What used to be an expensive outlay for the farmers is now a lucrative ($2,400 dollars pp for 2 hours!) business - they clearly have no incentive to reduce the number of hogs or they wouldn't be able to sell the trips to the tourists (both domestic and foreign) who want to come and shoot things without fear of repercussions.
So I think we are back to DBs assessment of these people.
It also seems that there are firms out there doing far more scientific hog culling using traps and enclosures - yes they still shoot them in the end but they avoid dispersing the hogs the way that dog and helicopter hunting does which both create more damage not less.
These are not innocent fluffy little creatures
Eat the fricking things instead of fast food, the overpopulation will be over in weeks.
Squeal like a pig..............
aa777888 - I think this topic has already diverged - the pilot didn't do the first part of his job properly and had to really pull it out of the bag to survive the second part.
You love guns and I don't - not much left to debate really - out of interest have you ever lived outside of USA?
You love guns and I don't - not much left to debate really - out of interest have you ever lived outside of USA?
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You love guns and I don't - not much left to debate really - out of interest have you ever lived outside of USA?
Currently I have an increased feral pig problem as a result of National Parks aerial shooting in the last week. National parks are allowed to shoot feral animals such as cats, foxes, pigs, deer from a helicopter but not horses because they can't kill them "humanely"!
Well (don't tell him this, but) I don't love my Beretta,...we're just freinds with benefits.
However, something definitely needs to be done to stop these rogue rifles from shooting ignition keys into the off positions in helicopters! Until then, remember kids,...if a rifle enters your cockpit, double check your mags before liftoff,...especially if he's wearing a silencer!.
However, something definitely needs to be done to stop these rogue rifles from shooting ignition keys into the off positions in helicopters! Until then, remember kids,...if a rifle enters your cockpit, double check your mags before liftoff,...especially if he's wearing a silencer!.
aa777888 - so envisage the likely bloodbath if the residents of London had been carrying weapons and started shooting at everyone who looked like a terrorist - yes, guns were used to stop him - but by trained and very well regulated people.
Imagine worse - that the terrorist had been able to freely access guns at his local store with only a cursory safety check - starts to make you understand the severity of mass shootings in the US doesn't it?
Yes, bad people do bad things - but only with the weapons they have available to them.
Ted Cruz's answer to mass shootings has been to allow more guns in churches and campuses - please explain the logic?
Yes, I know this is off topic but gun control related to helicopters appears to have been a major factor in this accident and related to the reason for the flight in the first place.
aa77788 - also please note that I wasn't the first to make any comments on this thread personal.
Imagine worse - that the terrorist had been able to freely access guns at his local store with only a cursory safety check - starts to make you understand the severity of mass shootings in the US doesn't it?
Yes, bad people do bad things - but only with the weapons they have available to them.
Ted Cruz's answer to mass shootings has been to allow more guns in churches and campuses - please explain the logic?
Yes, I know this is off topic but gun control related to helicopters appears to have been a major factor in this accident and related to the reason for the flight in the first place.
aa77788 - also please note that I wasn't the first to make any comments on this thread personal.
aa777888 - you can always pm me - I have very thick skin, well a shell really, hence the username, but I usually find common ground with most people.
Pastures, farms, gardens: take your pick, little piggies. And those are just the most obvious problems, there are many others. If you live in a world where you are insulated from the direct effects perhaps you simple can't understand. But it's easy to understand when you lose tens of thousands of dollars in crops overnight. Or the feedlot for your cattle is wrecked. Or even your prized petunias are gone. Then there are the diseases that spread to other livestock, the fact that they drive out all other species of game and non-game animals, etc., etc. But things like that are hard for city-dwelling vegans to grasp, I guess
Take a mini-gun the next time!