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Old 29th Sep 2020, 20:12
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Originally Posted by helipixman View Post
Could be a good idea, looks like it has to hug the terrain, what is its max height ? What would happen if it had to go up a cliff face, shear drop etc, plenty of them in the Lake district.

Example could it take off and then go over a shear drop or would the pilot just fall out of the sky ?

I want one also, soon we will all be going to our local shops in/on one !
The inventor said that they can go high but they stay low for safety.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 21:00
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Wow and I thought the Israelis had it all covered by sending in drones to pick up the injured parties!

Gives the term flying doctor a whole new meaning.

Great publicity for someone..... and a change from the death and disease of COVID19...... no more.
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Old 29th Sep 2020, 21:02
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I watched a documentary: "Own the sky, jet pack dreamers" a couple months ago (it is still available to watch on BBC iPlayer, worth a watch).
Unless the technology suggested here makes it a lot easier to fly, it will take a lot of training to get those paramedics up to a safe standard and once proficient a lot of recurrence training because I assume it will be a perishable skill.

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Old 29th Sep 2020, 23:19
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All they need now is a helicopter to drop the paramedic at the base of a hill near the scene of the incident and then.....
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 01:07
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As long as the paramedic knows EXACTLY where the victim is, and that there is a clear area to set down next to him/her, it might be OK. But there isn't a lot of time available to look for the victim or find a landing spot, before gravity finds it for you.

Nearly as good a daydream as the flying car.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 03:45
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Are we all sure this is not just clever CGI? The jet pack pilot would need to have very impressive upper body strength to control the thrust of the forearm-mounted jet packs. Just a small unplanned arm movement might place the pilot in a position of losing control of the arm-mounted jet packs. Very few gymnasts can perform the "iron cross". Has anyone seen one of these operate for real instead of in pixels?

Just wonderin'.

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Old 30th Sep 2020, 05:02
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Originally Posted by capngrog View Post
Are we all sure this is not just clever CGI? The jet pack pilot would need to have very impressive upper body strength to control the thrust of the forearm-mounted jet packs. Just a small unplanned arm movement might place the pilot in a position of losing control of the arm-mounted jet packs. Very few gymnasts can perform the "iron cross". Has anyone seen one of these operate for real instead of in pixels?

Just wonderin'.

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Was at Bournemouth a couple of years ago - impressive stuff but the questions above about training requirements and skill currency must be valid.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 05:11
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And don't forget the licensing issues.... Finally, this thing is a manned aerial vehicle, that needs to be properly licensed and insured.. With proper training courses at an ATO for the pilots...
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 06:43
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And just when it's all looking good for a perfect landing, the jetpack burners set the dry grass on fire and turn your patient into toast.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 10:38
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Just did some look-up on that "thing"...

They say its max speed is 120 km/h.
Its endurance (before running out of fuel) is about 8-9 minutes...(lets say 8 for this calculation).

120 km/h for 8 minutes (2 Km/min) equals a maximum distance covered of 16 Km.
Cut that in half (going there and back) makes it 8 Km.
Now take into consideration that-when you go up and down a hill or mountain, you cannot go "max speed"-turns the operational range into something like 6-7 Km around the base (at maximum).

Then again:
The medic/doctor needs to put on the suit (he will not be wearing it sitting around all day on alert, right?), needs to fly there, needs to take the suit off (he cannot work on the patient while wearing smoking hot turbine packs on his hands), and-lets not forget-he will need his medic pack as well.....


So all in all:
Best case would be a 30-minute-notice to move, followed by a flight of (at max!) 6 Km distance from base, followed by another 5-10 minutes taking the suit off.....

That´s 45 minutes from alert to "start working on the patient"......

How is that any quicker than an ambulance, or a rescue helicopter?
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 11:33
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Isn't it all a well thought out publicity stunt by GNAAS to keep them in the press/on the news, when charities are desperate for donations?
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 14:39
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Originally Posted by Chris P Bacon View Post
Isn't it all a well thought out publicity stunt by GNAAS to keep them in the press/on the news, when charities are desperate for donations?
Bingo! Ladies and Gentlemen we have a winner!
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 15:58
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Originally Posted by hueyracer View Post
And don't forget the licensing issues.... Finally, this thing is a manned aerial vehicle, that needs to be properly licensed and insured.. With proper training courses at an ATO for the pilots...
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I didn't see any place to store the POH
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 16:10
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The likelihood of having a jet pack and pilot trained to use it close to any incident is remote, you would need a chopper on call to transport the jet pack outfit close to the scene, a nice idea that ain’t going to be much use.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:29
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The likelihood of having a jet pack and pilot trained to use it close to any incident is remote
And the paramedic has to trained to fly the jet pack, and remain current when GNAAS will want him to be usefully employed at all the mundane call outs.

Interested in the payload....cant see how much useful kit could be carried, and if the non superman paramedics then take an hour to walk up the medical benefits are meagre
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 18:47
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I sure hope they arent doing heli rescues for those twisted ankles.

you wrap them, give them a walking stick and make them learn the lesson the hard way and walk them off the hill.
definately not life threatening on a nice sunny day

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Old 30th Sep 2020, 19:39
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It appears a perfect way to create another casualty - a case of 'create your own market'.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 20:20
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Don't forget that most HEMS isn't really made or trained for doing SAR. Landing at off airport sites and flying limited IFR is about as dicey as it gets. One person might be able to get to a victim and stabilize them but moving, packaging a patient to get into a helicopter takes more than one guy who is likley exhausted from donning the suit, getting there and doffing his gear. Just send the helicopter in the first place. Since they'd likley need a helicopter anyway, just shorthaul an EMT in and land as near as possible. Much faster. Although.......it would probably make for some awesome GoPro video. Also, I wonder, can these little turbo jet engines set things on fire? They aren't the hydrogen peroxide jet packs like the Bell jet belts or yore. I've only seen video of them flying off fire resistant surfaces and over water. It was news to people when they realized that Ospreys fighting fires with buckets could actually burn things and melt Bambi buckets if folks weren't careful of the exhaust.
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Old 30th Sep 2020, 22:15
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What could possibly go wrong?

The most effective plan so far for reducing the paramedic population.
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Old 1st Oct 2020, 04:42
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Originally Posted by jimf671 View Post
What could possibly go wrong?

The most effective plan so far for reducing the paramedic population.
Ah, I think we got this all wrong....

Maybe the plan is to have a doctor and a medic, both equipped with jet packs....

Then they fly up to the patient, and bring him down on a stretcher that they share amongst each other....

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