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Old 20th Feb 2020, 15:56
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Pilot for the Queen

Who's up for this recently advertised job.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 17:12
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Who cares?
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 18:33
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Who cares?
the ginger bloke doesn’t !!
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 00:01
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Three Helicopter Pilots in the family and they have to hire someone.......must be some baggage handling involved I reckon.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 00:26
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Three Helicopter Pilots in the family and they have to hire someone.......must be some baggage handling involved I reckon.
SAS,

According to this “tabloid” at one point there were 5 qualified pilots ... 2 have recently been pretty much fired from any Royal duties, one is no longer allowed to drive a car let alone fly a helicopter so having lost 3 pilots in 12 months it’s probably the reason they are looking to hire. That aside are any of them type certified?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...t-even-7264067

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Old 21st Feb 2020, 12:20
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The link is from 2016...
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 12:30
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The link is from 2016...
Hence the wording of the sentence.

at one point there were
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 12:33
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Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme View Post
Hence the wording of the sentence.

at one point there were
My mistake.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 17:32
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Didn’t some enthusiastic pilots bend the gear on Her 76 a few years ago practising some high hover engine failures?

Same as some Bristow pilots on a 212 in Baidoa? (Not looking at you, SASless)
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 18:18
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Didn’t some enthusiastic pilots bend the gear on Her 76 a few years ago practising some high hover engine failures?

Same as some Bristow pilots on a 212 in Baidoa? (Not looking at you, SASless)
They did that in the real aircraft? Employer too strapped for sim sessions?
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 19:12
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It was about 15 years ago, in a C+. The RTO wasn't the only company to do so. At the time there was no available, fully certified C+ simulator so there was no choice.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 19:41
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
It was about 15 years ago, in a C+. The RTO wasn't the only company to do so. At the time there was no available, fully certified C+ simulator so there was no choice.
C+ is a variant, once the differences training carried out, any certified a/c or sim should suffice I should have thought. A standard hover engines off in a S76 should be fairly benign; why risk doing it high (if it was so)?
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 20:15
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I have no reason to state anything other than the way it was and btw, the incident referred to didn't occur during "standard hover engines off" training; it was during OEI training. When the C+ first came into service, the cockpit layout and engine control systems were totally different from previous variants (I also flew the A+ and the C and latterly the B). There is now (thankfully) no need to carry out OEI training for the C+ and C++ in the actual aircraft because there are certified simulators which are sufficiently representative. From personal experience, the published short field takeoff technique for the C+ was tricky even in ideal circumstances and uncomfortable for the passengers. In nil wind, or "light and variable" wind conditions it was marginal. I personally had an "interesting" experience during OEI training on the C+, thankfully without bending anything. Others weren't quite so lucky.
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Originally Posted by ShyTorque View Post
I have no reason to state anything other than the way it was and btw, the incident referred to didn't occur during "standard hover engines off" training; it was during OEI training. When the C+ first came into service, the cockpit layout and engine control systems were totally different from previous variants (I also flew the A+ and the C and latterly the B). There is now (thankfully) no need to carry out OEI training for the C+ and C++ in the actual aircraft because there are certified simulators which are sufficiently representative. From personal experience, the published short field takeoff technique for the C+ was tricky even in ideal circumstances and uncomfortable for the passengers. In nil wind, or "light and variable" wind conditions it was marginal. I personally had an "interesting" experience during OEI training on the C+, thankfully without bending anything. Others weren't quite so lucky.
I was picking up on references from earlier posts. Thanks for the more complete picture Shy.

One thing the couple of S76 variants I have flown seem to have in common was a precipitous energy profile.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 20:49
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They did that in the real aircraft? Employer too strapped for sim sessions?
Knowing the Operator in question....if the Customer was not paying for the Sim Training under the Terms of the Contract.....then it was no fun trip off to FSI at the Bell Plant in Hurst, Texas for you.
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Knowing the Operator in question....if the Customer was not paying for the Sim Training under the Terms of the Contract.....then it was no fun trip off to FSI at the Bell Plant in Hurst, Texas for you.
Accepting (or is it excepting?) Shy’s comments about the context, skimping on a training budget is just fathomless given the money and risks involved.
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Originally Posted by Torquetalk View Post
Accepting (or is it excepting?) Shy’s comments about the context, skimping on a training budget is just fathomless given the money and risks involved.
Are you aware of the training budgets? And where they take place?
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Originally Posted by nomorehelosforme View Post
Are you aware of the training budgets? And where they take place?
Comment in response to SAS”s post.
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Old 22nd Feb 2020, 14:33
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I think It’s one of those jobs that sounds great at first thought then becomes worse the more you look into it
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Old 27th Feb 2020, 15:40
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Two points :
1. Whilst I am a strong advocate of the values of simulator training - greater scope for emergencies and malfunctions, ability to freeze, rebrief and retry to mention but a couple, we should guard against forcing ourselves down the road of complete reliance on the simulator for purely commercial reasons. In the specific case of the S76 vertical procedures, with the exception of the Bristow S76 simulator in Aberdeen, simulator profile models are mostly unable to reproduce accurately the performance of the aircraft during these exercises. Consideration should be given to allowing the aircraft to be used under closely controlled conditions to give real time handling experience, perhaps on an alternate check basis. It may already be too late as oil companies are unwilling to agree to any increased risk to their allocated aircraft.
2. The Queen`s Flight job has to be the pinnacle of the corporate sector, certainly in the UK - best aircraft. best maintenance, to the minute scheduling ( no waiting in cold wet fields waiting for inebriated passengers who turn up late) someone to meet you at each landing site with on the spot weather reporting, fuel on hand whenever you want it, what`s not to like ? Perhaps a few grand on the salary would go down well. :
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