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H225 down in Korea

Old 15th Nov 2019, 16:08
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Originally Posted by Hompy View Post
Yet again people died in an EC225 ... ...
Not entirely happy with your intro there but maybe it's just the times we live in.

We all have an ambition for everyone to be safe in the air and it's right to want the H225 to never have another accident. However, I think that in this age of easy mass communications and easy access to news we can lose sight of the historical context. Sometimes it seems like what happened before the internet never happened. In terms of helicopter fatalities, large rotorcraft that have been in widespread service for 15 years and done hundreds of thousands of flying hours but only had a couple of dozen fatalities are an outstanding new feature of the helicopter market. So that would be the Airbus H225 and the Sikorsky S-92. Let's not forget the thousands of people who died in accidents in other large rotorcraft down the years (some models of which are still around and still having fatal accidents at an unacceptable rate). Think too about the many people who are alive today who might have been dead if Airbus had not produced the H225 and Sikorsky had not produced the S-92.

Onwards and upwards.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 19:46
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Originally Posted by Shell Management View Post
Hompy - neat move there seizing the moral high ground and then dumping your own biases as an aside. Classy.
No moral high ground here but interesting you think I dumped any bias because I really couldnít give a t8##! I just donít like pilots/engineers/crewman or families of dead people suffering because some idiot has to massage their ego instead of getting a decent hobby, is all.
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Old 15th Nov 2019, 20:59
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Originally Posted by Hompy View Post
No moral high ground here but interesting you think I dumped any bias because I really couldnít give a t8##! I just donít like pilots/engineers/crewman or families of dead people suffering because some idiot has to massage their ego instead of getting a decent hobby, is all.
Don't fret things Hompy, SM has deep well-aged biases in favour of AS/ECF/Airbus products. He would much rather you find fault with pilots, as that fits nicely with his pre-conceived ideas of risk
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Old 16th Nov 2019, 03:57
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Well, well, Shelly is back. We've missed the three years of no comedy you regularly provided in your various analysis of safety issues. Take no notice of the prat Hompy.
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Old 16th Nov 2019, 07:26
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Originally Posted by Hompy View Post
No moral high ground here but interesting you think I dumped any bias because I really couldn’t give a t8##! I just don’t like pilots/engineers/crewman or families of dead people suffering because some idiot has to massage their ego instead of getting a decent hobby, is all.
Hompy, to be fair to all the helicopters, (Birds!.........eeeew), many perfectly serviceable ones have been sent for an early bath by our brethren for a whole variety of reasons. Mostly shit training before hand or a copilot paralysed by lack of procedures and intervention policies.

so when a “Bird”.......eeeeew, goes in at night shortly after take off it’s as fair an assumption as any........until that image of the tail boom appeared on the thread. Oh how the old hill of hindsight makes everything and everyone that went before seem inept.

i think the current armchair thesis is.....”The tail fell off”
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 12:31
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Any news about preliminary report?
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Old 21st Nov 2019, 13:21
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Originally Posted by Hompy View Post
Yet again people died in an EC225 and still we have armchair experts jumping to conclusions and most likely being proved wrong, again. I have heard the Ďitís ok to speculateí argument time and time again. When people are dead and their bodies are missing it just is not ok to speculate that it was likely to be two of the deadís fault until there is at least some evidence to back that up. Two of you armchair warriors already have form if anybody cares to look at the Norwegian 225 thread. Maybe I should speculate and imply that you are receiving payment from Airbus to influence opinion on this public forum? I donít believe that, but what has been implied here is worse. You denigrate the professions involved here with your pathetic amateur sleuth work!

Check the title. This is a rumour forum. It sounds to me like itís not a suitable forum for you to read. Never mind, there are plenty of others.
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Old 1st Feb 2020, 00:51
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Anyone know if a preliminary report has been issued yet? Any official statements? It's been very quiet since the accident and no information to find on the web. Surely there must be causes the South Korean Accident Investigation Board has ruled out that should be shared with the public.
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Old 10th Feb 2020, 14:14
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Originally Posted by Crewjuice View Post
Anyone know if a preliminary report has been issued yet? Any official statements? It's been very quiet since the accident and no information to find on the web. Surely there must be causes the South Korean Accident Investigation Board has ruled out that should be shared with the public.
The silence is remarkable - not a preliminary report after close to 4 months must indicate they have found nothing so far - and that even with recovered CVR and FDR.
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