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Old 8th Aug 2019, 11:08
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Hawaii, passenger jumps from a helicopter

This certainly ruffled a few feathers prompting an FAA investigation.

August 6, 2019 at 5:44 PM HST - Updated August 6 at 10:51 PM KANEOHE, Hawaii (HawaiiNewsNow) - The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating after cameras caught a helicopter flying low above boaters and beachgoers at the Kaneohe sandbar on Sunday.

At one point in the video clip sent to Hawaii News Now, you can see a passenger jumping out of the aircraft and into the ocean.



https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/0...neohe-sandbar/
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 11:21
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When I read the caption somehow I pictured a Robbie. Sure enough.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 12:05
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When I read the caption somehow I pictured a Robbie. Sure enough.
Surely you are not suggesting self-preservation?
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 12:50
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FFS Absolutely no US laws or regulations were broken. This is no different than skydiving. The helicopter and jumper were, judged by the video, a perfectly safe distance from other people when the jumper jumped or if the engine quit. Any investigation by the FAA, if they even bother to do anything at all, will be quick, pointless, and result in no action (unless they turn up some other nonsense like an expired medical, not enough flotation devices, etc.).

You can argue about the wisdom of this event, but you can also make the same argument about skydiving, scuba diving, motorcycle riding, a hundred other things or, <shudder> actually leaving the ground in an aircraft <the horror>.

What should be happening is that they should be getting a court order that requires these fearful haters to stay in their homes, pad every sharp corner in them with bubble wrap, and require them to crawl from room to room lest they accidentally trip and fall!

Listen up you fearful haters: I am NOT YOU. DO NOT LEGISLATE RESTRICTIONS MY BEHAVIOR BASED ON YOUR FEARS.

Oh, and super-expert rescue swimmer dude: every operation in life does not have to be done to military standards. Sport skydiving methods and standards are different. Sport SCUBA diving methods and standards are different. Piloting methods and standards are different. And if they make a regular thing out of civilian swimmer delivery, no doubt those methods and standards will be different, too.

The tour industry better start pushing back HARD in Hawaii or they are going to be out of an industry fast. The voters, primarily comprised of fearful haters, outnumber them by a huge margin. Better start taking out some advertising, generating news interviews, explaining realities and telling these people to get a life, or your business life is going to end.

Sorry, this sh*t just sets me off big time.
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Originally Posted by blakmax View Post
Surely you are not suggesting self-preservation?
pax: So are these the -5 blades?
pilot: yeah, you won’t believe the deal I got on this baby, ooh errr where’d he go?
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Looks like two to me - there is a splash in the water and an object floating a few moments before we see the (second) jumper.
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pax: So are these the -5 blades?
pilot: yeah, you won’t believe the deal I got on this baby, ooh errr where’d he go?
I wouldn't know anyone like that

My theory is that his beer cooler fell off his lap and he couldn't bear to parted from it
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 17:46
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Originally Posted by blakmax View Post
Surely you are not suggesting self-preservation?
As much as I understand jumping from a Robbo to get out of it. But would you really feel safer directly underneath?
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§ 91.15 Dropping objects.No pilot in command of a civil aircraft may allow any object to be dropped from that aircraft in flight that creates a hazard to persons or property. However, this section does not prohibit the dropping of any object if reasonable precautions are taken to avoid injury or damage to persons or property.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.15
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It says objects NOT person. A human being is not an object.
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I agree, no rule was broken, however, as aa777888 mentions, the Hawaii operators are fighting an uphill battle right now and acts like this do not help their plight. My sources tell me this aircraft was purchased by a group of "young kids who pooled to buy this old astro" and are basically flying around without regard for the rest of the industry.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 20:27
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It says objects NOT person. A human being is not an object.
Spunk - google the definition of object and it will say it is a thing or person.

The get out here is that they caused no hazard to other persons or property. - Still pretty stupid mind.
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Old 8th Aug 2019, 20:57
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Spunk - google the definition of object and it will say it is a thing or person.

The get out here is that they caused no hazard to other persons or property. - Still pretty stupid mind.
Also, this is the FAR the FAA applies to skydiving and parachuting operations, among other things. So semantics aside, that's how the FAA interprets it.

How is this any more or less stupid than skydiving?

Disclaimer: I am also a USPA D license holder, so perhaps my perspectives are a bit skewed (and skydiving in the US is, other than FAR 91.15 and a few FAR odds and ends about equipment and riggers, self-regulating in the same manner as SCUBA diving is in the US, i.e. USPA is the functional equivalent of PADI or NAUI).
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Everyone has a camera. Many have no idea what is real, legal, lawful, other than their own opinion. TV and media want to run 24x7 to get more money = Perfect ...
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Originally Posted by aa777888 View Post
FFS Absolutely no US laws or regulations were broken. This is no different than skydiving. The helicopter and jumper were, judged by the video, a perfectly safe distance from other people when the jumper jumped or if the engine quit. Any investigation by the FAA, if they even bother to do anything at all, will be quick, pointless, and result in no action (unless they turn up some other nonsense like an expired medical, not enough flotation devices, etc.).

You can argue about the wisdom of this event, but you can also make the same argument about skydiving, scuba diving, motorcycle riding, a hundred other things or, <shudder> actually leaving the ground in an aircraft <the horror>.

What should be happening is that they should be getting a court order that requires these fearful haters to stay in their homes, pad every sharp corner in them with bubble wrap, and require them to crawl from room to room lest they accidentally trip and fall!

Listen up you fearful haters: I am NOT YOU. DO NOT LEGISLATE RESTRICTIONS MY BEHAVIOR BASED ON YOUR FEARS.

Oh, and super-expert rescue swimmer dude: every operation in life does not have to be done to military standards. Sport skydiving methods and standards are different. Sport SCUBA diving methods and standards are different. Piloting methods and standards are different. And if they make a regular thing out of civilian swimmer delivery, no doubt those methods and standards will be different, too.

The tour industry better start pushing back HARD in Hawaii or they are going to be out of an industry fast. The voters, primarily comprised of fearful haters, outnumber them by a huge margin. Better start taking out some advertising, generating news interviews, explaining realities and telling these people to get a life, or your business life is going to end.

Sorry, this sh*t just sets me off big time.
Agree with this on many points and perhaps add to the list(not necessarily in the US) the extreme sports skiers that want to jump out of a helicopter at the top of a mountain, risks there must be more considerable?

What might be more concerning that’s come out of this thread is Gordy’s comment about the owners and operators of this Robbie. What might they plan for their next little adventure... a quick night trip to buzz their friends outside a nightclub, a trip to pick one of them up a few miles away in atrocious weather or maybe just take the Robbie up the mountain for a bit of extreme skiing!

I would be surprised if one of them isn’t reading this thread. If so any comments?
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Originally Posted by Bell_ringer View Post
When I read the caption somehow I pictured a Robbie. Sure enough.
When I read the caption, I thought both Hawaii and a passenger jumped out of a helicopter.
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How is this any more or less stupid than skydiving?
jumping into any body of water you are not completely sure is safe is a good way to end up on a spinal board.- it's called tombstoning in UK (the name probably came from the US) and costs several people their lives or mobility a year in UK.

These guys may well have done a thorough recce and checked for rocks and other underwater obstacles.

Were the FAA more interested in the low flying than the jumping in?

aa - I think you skydivers are barking mad jumping out of a serviceable aircraft but if that's what floats your boat I've dropped plenty of parachutists from helicopters over the years but I still think it is tempting fate.
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Anybody that jumps out of a serviceable aeroplane is a lunatic.
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Anybody that jumps out of a serviceable aeroplane is a lunatic.
Not really - https://uspa.org/p/Article/a-record-...tality-summary
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Old 9th Aug 2019, 08:42
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if i ever got back in a robbie, i would probably jump out as well.

I have however flown guys out to jump into the sea, it was a display, but i will never take parachuters, too much risk for me, with parachutes releasing in the machine...
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