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AW 139 Hard Landing in Spain.

Old 24th Jun 2019, 00:02
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90 degree bank “due to turbulence” that a severe one...
Unless keeping that attitude for few seconds, but the aircraft isn’t an aerobatic one, there no reason here to ran out of fuel.

Further more, if a pilot can do the same job with 30% pay cut, the engines can’t do the same range with 30% fuel cut... unfortunately
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 16:00
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The flight data recorder has shown that in the event the pitch angle increased up to 19 ° and that there were two roll to the left: the first of 33 ° and the second of 140 °.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 16:19
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With cyclic input to support that roll or without or against it (correcting roll)?
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 16:33
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Am I missing something?

"Turbulence" to my memory has never "rolled" the helicopter....pitched up...yawed...perhaps a very small amount of roll....lots of vertical oscillations....but never even remotely close to the roll being described here.

The one exception to that is wake turbulence which can produce large roll rates.

I am not buying the story of "clear air or mechanical turbulence" rolling the aircraft.

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Old 12th Jul 2019, 18:03
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A single crewmember onboard trying to have some fun?
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 19:20
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I am not buying the story of "clear air or mechanical turbulence" rolling the
. Me neither! The FDR will immediately show cyclic position vs Aircraft attitude - if genuine, they will be in opposition!
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 19:47
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Sounds a bit like RBS to me.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 21:32
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Originally Posted by Yara-ma-yha-who View Post
Sounds a bit like RBS to me.
no way on a 139. RBS will happen way above Vne.
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Old 12th Jul 2019, 21:57
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What was the height of the ground where he landed..?
Surely it was enough to have tried a relight in auto....?
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Old 16th Sep 2020, 10:14
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Hello pilots! Any rumours on this one??

On the official side... there is no updates...

https://www.mitma.gob.es/organos-col...019/a-027-2019
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 07:08
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I used Google Translate on that page

"The pilot was unhinged and left the aircraft on his own"
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Old 17th Sep 2020, 07:47
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Am I missing something?

"Turbulence" to my memory has never "rolled" the helicopter....pitched up...yawed...perhaps a very small amount of roll....lots of vertical oscillations....but never even remotely close to the roll being described here.
A late response here, Sassy, but in the late 80s I was flying a BK117 in the NSW Blue Mountains, planning to rescue a man from the bottom of a cliff. The wind was very strong from the west, and we would not have attempted the task in the B206, but we felt comfortable in the BK. Until we got into the mechanical turbulence from the cliffs - we rolled to 120 degrees, recovered, and decided to not rescue the man after all. Landed nearby and had a coffee while the ground people collected him. He was an attempted suicide, took pills, stood on the edge of the cliff and shot himself, fell down the cliff but survived. Some weeks later he was more successful.
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