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Standard procedure in some parts of the world (a luxury in others I know) is for the crew to have the option of having a doctor speak with the boat and to then advise the pilot in command on whether the casualty is in need of urgent assistance. In my experience waiting a few hours in generally acceptable.
Standard procedure in some parts of the world (a luxury in others I know) is for the crew to have the option of having a doctor speak with the boat and to then advise the pilot in command on whether the casualty is in need of urgent assistance. In my experience waiting a few hours in generally acceptable.
Only the pilot can decide whether the mission is within acceptable limits. Those limits may be different for a military mission than a civilian one, but that is an aviation decision not a medical one
The only safe operational tasking is to have a Chinese wall between the medical and aviation decision whereby each decides on go/no go independently. You then launch only if you have two goes. If you allow doctor and pilot to discuss you inevitably put pressure on both. We did this in Dallas in the 1980s, launching into what I now know to be unacceptable conditions because the patient was a child, because the patient would likely die without us. Often the pilot said no, then asked about the casualty and said yes......Back in the UK we operated a Chinese wall. We lost missions and I dare say patients suffered, but we didnt put a crew of three let alone people on the ground at risk for one patient.
To those who have heard me rant on about this ad nauseam, my apologies, but the lesson still hasnt been learned
I fully agree with the notion of reducing pressure on those who must make the decision to go fly.
In theory you can isolate the pilot from knowing "why" the flight is being requested but at some point reality will enter into the picture.
One example....Neo-Nate flights that require an Isolette Unit.....only tiny infants go inside those.
Destinations that include a "Children's Hospital" also give the pilot a clue.
The key is to remind both Pilot and Crew....that people die every day....and did so before Helicopters got involved in EMS.
EMS Pilots and Crews are not in the Life Saving business....they are there to provide safe, efficient, Air Medical Transportation.
If a life is saved or prolonged by their work....that is a bonus.
The weather has to meet minimums or the flight is a "No Go" no matter why it is being requested.
Get that into the decision process and Crews will live longer.
EMS is not SAR......and EMS Crews are not winged heroes who due holy combat with the Grim Reaper.....they are highly trained and capable but are just out there to transport injured and ill persons.
In theory you can isolate the pilot from knowing "why" the flight is being requested but at some point reality will enter into the picture.
One example....Neo-Nate flights that require an Isolette Unit.....only tiny infants go inside those.
Destinations that include a "Children's Hospital" also give the pilot a clue.
The key is to remind both Pilot and Crew....that people die every day....and did so before Helicopters got involved in EMS.
EMS Pilots and Crews are not in the Life Saving business....they are there to provide safe, efficient, Air Medical Transportation.
If a life is saved or prolonged by their work....that is a bonus.
The weather has to meet minimums or the flight is a "No Go" no matter why it is being requested.
Get that into the decision process and Crews will live longer.
EMS is not SAR......and EMS Crews are not winged heroes who due holy combat with the Grim Reaper.....they are highly trained and capable but are just out there to transport injured and ill persons.
the old mantra from firefighters "risk a alot to save alot, risk a little to save a little" comes to mind when I hear of medevac accidents.
Lives are important, but at what cost?
not everyone can be saved, and you don't line up your highly trained resources, such as pilots, paramedics, or firefighters etc like lemmings and let them keep them heading into impending death one after the other. But we see this scenario play over and over with medevacs.
Heaven forbid we put crews lives on the line to attempt to save someone who isn't knocking on deaths door themselves.
Lives are important, but at what cost?
not everyone can be saved, and you don't line up your highly trained resources, such as pilots, paramedics, or firefighters etc like lemmings and let them keep them heading into impending death one after the other. But we see this scenario play over and over with medevacs.
Heaven forbid we put crews lives on the line to attempt to save someone who isn't knocking on deaths door themselves.
Of course doctors are not qualified to assess the risks involved in a flight. That is the PIC’s job and why they are paid accordingly. If I had any doubts about the justification for the flight (regardless of environmental conditions) I would attempt to seek medical advice as PART of the decision making process. Fortunately where I work that is always available.
My way of thinking is, the flight is planned and conducted in accordance with the applicable flight rules, irrespective of any medical opinion.
My way of thinking is, the flight is planned and conducted in accordance with the applicable flight rules, irrespective of any medical opinion
What I found odd is the pilot asks "Is everyone up for this?" ... and there seems to be a verbal consensus from all of the crew to proceed, however the winch operator is thinking to herself "I don't really want to do this" (her words in the voice-over) without actually telling anybody.
This has done the rounds before.
Is it typical for the crew to have such a focus on the condition and status of a patient?
Life saving seems to be in the forefront of the decision making.
Is it typical for the crew to have such a focus on the condition and status of a patient?
Life saving seems to be in the forefront of the decision making.
Is it typical for the crew to have such a focus on the condition and status of a patient?
Life saving seems to be in the forefront of the decision making.
Life saving seems to be in the forefront of the decision making.
Is hovertaxying in cloud inherently safe? No, of course not but the only additional risk of doing this compared to clear conditions is the limited visibility, there is no increased risk of aircraft malfunction just because it its foggy.
Being a SAR captain means you have to make decisions to balance risk against reward and every SAR pilot I know would accept extra risk if the casualty will die otherwise - it's not nice (hence the winchies concerns in the voice over) but it is a fact of life with SAR.
If you don't take any risks (with mitigation wherever possible) you won't rescue anyone because so many people get into trouble in difficult terrain and weather.
If you thought that rescue was tricky - try the same conditions at night..........
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Being a SAR captain means you have to make decisions to balance risk against reward and every SAR pilot I know would accept extra risk if the casualty will die otherwise - it's not nice (hence the winchies concerns in the voice over) but it is a fact of life with SAR.
Yes Shy, I think most of us have similar stories but for every one that didn't need rescuing there were an awful lot that did
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