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SASless - your vitriol in other threads indicates a deep rooted dislike of the British attitude to everything, especially when it concerns the USA. Why not have a thread of your own to vent your spleen and tell us why the country with the highest production of greenhouse gases and the worst history for financial impropriety should not on the odd ocassion admit that sometimes 'British is Best'?
I have no problem saying something is better....irregardless of its origin......I just have a problem with starting off with the mindset that because of it being British it is naturally superior. I believe in calling a spade a spade.....and as your post so clearly points out....you insist upon demeanning the USA rather than refuting the points being made. My post merely said lay off with the preliminary statement of "the British.....is the best" and get on with the statement of fact or question.
I will gladly admit I prefer pubs to taverns....dark beer to light beer, curry to stewed chicken, Guinness over anything liquid, Lexington BBQ to all others....London to New York...the Wessex over the S-58T....the Mustang over the Spitfire....the Mossie over the Mitchell.....British comedy over American Sitcoms.....but I sure don't care for the xenophobic mindsets of some of the folks from the east side of the salt water divide.
Operative word is "some" not all....not many....not every.....just the few and the vocal.....those that cannot understand that every nation has a claim to greatness....and that mere birthright or class status does not give a natural guarantee to superiority.
I am not alone in this view....you have heard it from Nick Lappos and other ppruners from the western side of the salt water divide. As long as we on the west side are told by those on the east side how great things are there by natural right then you can count on a rebuttal. That is not Brit Bashing.....more like Brit Baiting maybe....which is definitely more rewarding and fun.
The one thing the Brits and the Yanks have in common....is the liberal left in both societies have an absolute ironclad belief that they are morally, ethically, and naturally correct and any opposing view is immature, incorrect, immoral and demands emotional responses with all sorts of illogical baseless allegations.
So Crab...stick your refuelling probe out on that SeaKing and take a very long flight....you guys do inflight refuelling with helicopters right?
I will gladly admit I prefer pubs to taverns....dark beer to light beer, curry to stewed chicken, Guinness over anything liquid, Lexington BBQ to all others....London to New York...the Wessex over the S-58T....the Mustang over the Spitfire....the Mossie over the Mitchell.....British comedy over American Sitcoms.....but I sure don't care for the xenophobic mindsets of some of the folks from the east side of the salt water divide.
Operative word is "some" not all....not many....not every.....just the few and the vocal.....those that cannot understand that every nation has a claim to greatness....and that mere birthright or class status does not give a natural guarantee to superiority.
I am not alone in this view....you have heard it from Nick Lappos and other ppruners from the western side of the salt water divide. As long as we on the west side are told by those on the east side how great things are there by natural right then you can count on a rebuttal. That is not Brit Bashing.....more like Brit Baiting maybe....which is definitely more rewarding and fun.
The one thing the Brits and the Yanks have in common....is the liberal left in both societies have an absolute ironclad belief that they are morally, ethically, and naturally correct and any opposing view is immature, incorrect, immoral and demands emotional responses with all sorts of illogical baseless allegations.
So Crab...stick your refuelling probe out on that SeaKing and take a very long flight....you guys do inflight refuelling with helicopters right?
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Handbags at dawn, methinks.... 
P.S. MacDonalds tastes just as bad on either side of the great divide.
P.S. MacDonalds tastes just as bad on either side of the great divide.
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As a Brit I have to say that's a jolly good reply SASless (regardless of the fact that only in America could there be such a word as the double negative 'irregardless'!!).
As you say, let's keep the politics and xenophobia out of it (except when used as a wizard win-up!), call a shovel a spade and judge things on their own merits.
Your posts seem cutting and mostly to the point - just what's needed to keep these threads interesting.
PS In view of your earlier post about the Rotorheads forum being used for postings about rotary aviation, shouldn't this topic be on the Jetblast Forum?
As you say, let's keep the politics and xenophobia out of it (except when used as a wizard win-up!), call a shovel a spade and judge things on their own merits.
Your posts seem cutting and mostly to the point - just what's needed to keep these threads interesting.
PS In view of your earlier post about the Rotorheads forum being used for postings about rotary aviation, shouldn't this topic be on the Jetblast Forum?
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"The one thing the Brits and the Yanks have in common....is the liberal left in both societies have an absolute ironclad belief that they are morally, ethically, and naturally correct and any opposing view is immature, incorrect, immoral and demands emotional responses with all sorts of illogical baseless allegations. "
Its good to realise that you can both share equal second......
Carefully put away those royal handbags or you may get a stream from a M60 up your tailcone.
Its good to realise that you can both share equal second......
Carefully put away those royal handbags or you may get a stream from a M60 up your tailcone.
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As a Brit I find myself agreeing with SASless - we don't have automatic Godhood, although we're not all total prats either.
On the other hand it also seems to me that anyone who has/had an Empire only got it by stealing it from someone else (vis Rome/India/Germany/Africa/ America)....Why do we have to do it that way - it it genetic that each lot has to prove themselves better by beating s**t out of those less able to prevent it?
But then again all the wishing don't fix it...I just promise to keep my fingers out of your pockets if you'll do the same!!!
Luv n Peace etc
On the other hand it also seems to me that anyone who has/had an Empire only got it by stealing it from someone else (vis Rome/India/Germany/Africa/ America)....Why do we have to do it that way - it it genetic that each lot has to prove themselves better by beating s**t out of those less able to prevent it?
But then again all the wishing don't fix it...I just promise to keep my fingers out of your pockets if you'll do the same!!!
Luv n Peace etc
Tombola said "only in America could there be..."
Only in 'America' could they take the name of an Italian explorer (Amerigo Vespucci), the eponym for an entire hemisphere, (N, S, Central), and usurp it as the name for their country alone. When folks say they're 'American', I usually ask the question "Really? What part of America? Chile? Québec? Honduras?"
Only in 'America' when you say the word 'big', will they automatically think of Texas. Ain't nuthin' bigger n'Texas. Except maybe Alaska, most Canadian provinces, and all Australian states, save for Victoria and Tas!
As a lowly Colonial, I must say it's fun to watch the Yanks and Brits have a go. We can enjoy our Texas BBQ and Irish pubs with the comforting knowledge that we are 'unremarkable in every way'.
Only in 'America' could they take the name of an Italian explorer (Amerigo Vespucci), the eponym for an entire hemisphere, (N, S, Central), and usurp it as the name for their country alone. When folks say they're 'American', I usually ask the question "Really? What part of America? Chile? Québec? Honduras?"
Only in 'America' when you say the word 'big', will they automatically think of Texas. Ain't nuthin' bigger n'Texas. Except maybe Alaska, most Canadian provinces, and all Australian states, save for Victoria and Tas!
As a lowly Colonial, I must say it's fun to watch the Yanks and Brits have a go. We can enjoy our Texas BBQ and Irish pubs with the comforting knowledge that we are 'unremarkable in every way'.
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aha but CTD havent you heard America is named after a brit !!!
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There are a'holes in all countries but I cannot think of any country where all inhabitants are . ( though there are certain cities in the UK where it appears they all are LOL ).
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There are a'holes in all countries but I cannot think of any country where all inhabitants are . ( though there are certain cities in the UK where it appears they all are LOL ).
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Moderators, I suggest a new forum. Rotorblast should be for helicopter pilots who want to discuss totally non-aviation related topics - but only with other helicopter pilots.
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Coriolis,
In answer to why we do it consider the following.
It's genetic and memetic. Genes and memes are the two replicators in life. The genes are the proteins that give us a predisposition to sex, food and violence. The memes are the pieces of information that are created by brains, basically they're ideas born out of our ability to imitate.
Memes that complement one another may join to form a memeplex. A memeplex will grow in size and complexity as the brain in which it resides experiences more living. The inner you is a selfplex which consists of many memeplexes which are complementary and in combination create what the individual experiences as 'his' consciousness.
There are countless memes and memeplexes being created by human brains and there all competing for brain space. The memes themselves and the memeplexes of which they are a part are in competition with one another not the vehicles that carry them i.e. people.
Peoples share similar experiences with those of the same country and culture and through imitation pick up the same memeplexes. If you share a memeplex with someone else then 'you' will think 'you' agree with 'them'. This is a great success for the shared memes because as replicators they 'want' to be more numerous. The memes are quite happy to use our genetic predisposition to violence to further themselves over and above other memes prevalent in another country and culture in order to ensure that they are replicated.
This is why 'we' don't do it. It's the memes that do it and we are powerless to stop them. Honest.
In answer to why we do it consider the following.
It's genetic and memetic. Genes and memes are the two replicators in life. The genes are the proteins that give us a predisposition to sex, food and violence. The memes are the pieces of information that are created by brains, basically they're ideas born out of our ability to imitate.
Memes that complement one another may join to form a memeplex. A memeplex will grow in size and complexity as the brain in which it resides experiences more living. The inner you is a selfplex which consists of many memeplexes which are complementary and in combination create what the individual experiences as 'his' consciousness.
There are countless memes and memeplexes being created by human brains and there all competing for brain space. The memes themselves and the memeplexes of which they are a part are in competition with one another not the vehicles that carry them i.e. people.
Peoples share similar experiences with those of the same country and culture and through imitation pick up the same memeplexes. If you share a memeplex with someone else then 'you' will think 'you' agree with 'them'. This is a great success for the shared memes because as replicators they 'want' to be more numerous. The memes are quite happy to use our genetic predisposition to violence to further themselves over and above other memes prevalent in another country and culture in order to ensure that they are replicated.
This is why 'we' don't do it. It's the memes that do it and we are powerless to stop them. Honest.
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"irregardless". Hm. I'm not sure, was it Sir Winston Churchill who said that the British and the Americans are two people divided by a common language? (or something along those lines).
I agree that too many Brits like to rest on their laurels, peoples still of a long-gone empire. However, too many Americans seem resentful of the fact that their predecessors supposedly fled an intolerable government to found a new country on the other side of the pond. The Brits like to point out that the new American settlers (of both North and South America) displaced and killed many of the people indigenous to that continent. However, it should be remembered that the English (as opposed to the Scots and the Welsh - for those contributors who seem to think that Britain = England) displaced and killed many of the Celtic peoples indigenous to the British Isles.
Maybe it's time we all just put the past behind us and realised that there are good and bad people in every country and that there are many differing views on any subject. I may agree with SASless on one point or disagree with him, but it will be because of what he says, not where he comes from.
"irregardless". Hm. I'm not sure, was it Sir Winston Churchill who said that the British and the Americans are two people divided by a common language? (or something along those lines).
I agree that too many Brits like to rest on their laurels, peoples still of a long-gone empire. However, too many Americans seem resentful of the fact that their predecessors supposedly fled an intolerable government to found a new country on the other side of the pond. The Brits like to point out that the new American settlers (of both North and South America) displaced and killed many of the people indigenous to that continent. However, it should be remembered that the English (as opposed to the Scots and the Welsh - for those contributors who seem to think that Britain = England) displaced and killed many of the Celtic peoples indigenous to the British Isles.
Maybe it's time we all just put the past behind us and realised that there are good and bad people in every country and that there are many differing views on any subject. I may agree with SASless on one point or disagree with him, but it will be because of what he says, not where he comes from.
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Take it easy with this line of thinking, or you'll go from Darwin, to Dawkins, to Dennett.
Then we'll have to start questioning the 'Meaning of Life'
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Take it easy with this line of thinking, or you'll go from Darwin, to Dawkins, to Dennett.
Then we'll have to start questioning the 'Meaning of Life'
Dave
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And who are the "English" anyway?
I am English (and proud of it but then again I am not a football supporter) but I have been mistakenly assumed to be Italian, French, Bulgarian and AUSTRALIAN of all things!
Last year in Miami I was assumed to be Spanish by a Spaniard. My goodness, she was lovely but unfortunately I couldn't understand a word she said.
This gets embarrassing. Only one generation ago I would have been an O'Flaherty
So where do dark haired, blue eyed people normally come from?
I am English (and proud of it but then again I am not a football supporter) but I have been mistakenly assumed to be Italian, French, Bulgarian and AUSTRALIAN
of all things!Last year in Miami I was assumed to be Spanish by a Spaniard. My goodness, she was lovely but unfortunately I couldn't understand a word she said.
This gets embarrassing. Only one generation ago I would have been an O'Flaherty
So where do dark haired, blue eyed people normally come from?
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Sasless, I admit defeat - it was a very good reply and not at all the Anglophobic rantings I was fishing for.
No we don't in-flight refuel - our Empire is so small you can get from one side to the other on one tank of gas!!
No we don't in-flight refuel - our Empire is so small you can get from one side to the other on one tank of gas!!
Well Crab......as is traditional....keep your sword, sidearm, and horse......errrrr...yer horse........feel free to continue to break the room out of its comatose state when you can. If we all agree then this becomes a rather boring place to visit....kinda like Horley on a Tuesday afternoon. You could have picked a couple of other topics and I would have fulfilled your every wish by entering the affray frothing at the mouth and yelling really politically incorrect rantings! Subjects like the American Social Security system, costs of medical insurance in the USA, licensing of doctors and attorneys.....oh, I could go on....but then these are not topics for discussion here.
Helicopter seats, heaters, cockpit layouts, side-saddle attitude indicators, cheap assed helicopter operators.....and Nigerian Uniformed extortionists.....now we can really get a tempest going.
Helicopter seats, heaters, cockpit layouts, side-saddle attitude indicators, cheap assed helicopter operators.....and Nigerian Uniformed extortionists.....now we can really get a tempest going.
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Tropicopter - many thanks for the explanation - I feel heaps better now, I think.
No, I'm going to stop thinking, especially about your explanation; maybe I am a total prat after all; Boyle's law's easy, so is (are) hydraulics; theory of flight's a doddle; but I'm not sure if you're winding me up or if it's an arty thing like "look at the pathos in this pile of bricks..." but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now, so Thanks again.....
Clearblue - I wish I'd said that 'cos it's exactly wot I Thort (je suis relatively illiterate engineer type)
Ho Hum.....
No, I'm going to stop thinking, especially about your explanation; maybe I am a total prat after all; Boyle's law's easy, so is (are) hydraulics; theory of flight's a doddle; but I'm not sure if you're winding me up or if it's an arty thing like "look at the pathos in this pile of bricks..." but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now, so Thanks again.....
Clearblue - I wish I'd said that 'cos it's exactly wot I Thort (je suis relatively illiterate engineer type)
Ho Hum.....