Britbashing
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George Washington? Puh-leeze!
He only ever beat the Hessians, on the Delaware - and the French, on the Monongahela, when he was fighting for the British, before he turned his coat...
He was beaten like a gong by the British at New York, at Brandywine, at Germantown... anytime the British suffered an, ahem, reverse, Washington was miles away. Who did the winning? Why, Benedict Arnold - my kind of American.
Washington was a bit-part player when von Steuben and Lafayette did for Cornwallis.
What's this got to do with helicopters?
He only ever beat the Hessians, on the Delaware - and the French, on the Monongahela, when he was fighting for the British, before he turned his coat...
He was beaten like a gong by the British at New York, at Brandywine, at Germantown... anytime the British suffered an, ahem, reverse, Washington was miles away. Who did the winning? Why, Benedict Arnold - my kind of American.
Washington was a bit-part player when von Steuben and Lafayette did for Cornwallis.
What's this got to do with helicopters?
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From: Downeast
What is with the French and the English.....afterall you are now joined by land and all ? Can we now describe the UK as being the small ex-island immediately adjacent to France? I would think with the new political joining of the other European nations, the UK would be ready to join the majority power. The fact you will no longer be buying pints, halfs, by the pound, round, or rasher....should not be an impediment to financial gain for the country. Would not entrance into the the EU not provide for the defense of the UK by having the French Military as allies ? The only real loser out of all this appears to be the money changers and the UK Customs .....with all those duty free ciggies and wine coming into the country.
This has absolutely nothing to do with helicopters...but a great deal to do with helicopter pilots, engineers, and their families. Plus, the starched wing side of the house really are not interested in "helicopter" stuff.
This has absolutely nothing to do with helicopters...but a great deal to do with helicopter pilots, engineers, and their families. Plus, the starched wing side of the house really are not interested in "helicopter" stuff.
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SaSless: You tread heavily on delicate sensibilities.
Here in the UK, war with France is the normal state of affairs. We have been at war with France for much of the past thousand years. The 20th century was the only one in the last millennium where we did not have a major war, or wars, with France - and that was only because the Germans usurped their position. In fact, we have in the relatively recent past been at war with France for an unbroken period of one hundred years. In all our celebrated victories - Waterloo, Trafalgar, the Nile - it was the French that won second prize.
On the positive side, they make a decent cheese.
Consider the position of your own Mr Washington, who began his military career fighting the French at Fort Duquesne. He then inveigled them into fighting his battles for him, forged a nation and ended his military career at the head of an American army that was preparing to fight the French.
As to your crack about European defence, last time we had major turbulence, between 1939 and 1945, the French sat the whole thing out.
Here in the UK, war with France is the normal state of affairs. We have been at war with France for much of the past thousand years. The 20th century was the only one in the last millennium where we did not have a major war, or wars, with France - and that was only because the Germans usurped their position. In fact, we have in the relatively recent past been at war with France for an unbroken period of one hundred years. In all our celebrated victories - Waterloo, Trafalgar, the Nile - it was the French that won second prize.
On the positive side, they make a decent cheese.
Consider the position of your own Mr Washington, who began his military career fighting the French at Fort Duquesne. He then inveigled them into fighting his battles for him, forged a nation and ended his military career at the head of an American army that was preparing to fight the French.
As to your crack about European defence, last time we had major turbulence, between 1939 and 1945, the French sat the whole thing out.
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From: Cambridge, England
Hey, guys - how did I miss this thread for so long. Looks like fun!
Personally, I've worked extensively in the US - initially against my will - but found that I love the place to bits. I just prefer my women to be less than four feet from hip-to-hip.
Anyway - to keep in in a rotor theme, I note the comment about in-flight refeulling. Us Brits certainly have a lot to learn there.....
....is this how it's done?
www.paulrivers.biz/probe.mpeg ???
Holly_Copter
Personally, I've worked extensively in the US - initially against my will - but found that I love the place to bits. I just prefer my women to be less than four feet from hip-to-hip.
Anyway - to keep in in a rotor theme, I note the comment about in-flight refeulling. Us Brits certainly have a lot to learn there.....
....is this how it's done?
www.paulrivers.biz/probe.mpeg ???
Holly_Copter
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That one is below the belt, Holly. I'm sure there is footage a plenty when it comes to helicopter mishaps and accidents. From both sides of the Atlantic.
How did this one end, in a safe landing I hope?
How did this one end, in a safe landing I hope?
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Holley-Copter,
Regarding width of women, I find if I have the twins standing closer together, there is less than four feet from hip to hip. Might give it a try!
Nick
PS Anyone who thinks there are fundamental differences between the two cultures is kidding! All that civilization talk is nice, but I've seen the football match videos, guys!
Regarding width of women, I find if I have the twins standing closer together, there is less than four feet from hip to hip. Might give it a try!
Nick
PS Anyone who thinks there are fundamental differences between the two cultures is kidding! All that civilization talk is nice, but I've seen the football match videos, guys!
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From: US
So really your countrymen did'nt have the ability to do it on their own, they needed the help of the treacherous Frogs?
Regarding Gen. Washington, he lost the vast majority of his battles. But won the war.
OFBSLF
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From: Cambridge, England
S76,
Wasn't meant to be 'below the belt'. It's a video clip I've had kicking around for some time, and given the in-flight-refeullng comment I thought it might be interesting.
As far as I can tell from the video, the guy was flying well & stable after the incident.
...whether or not they had enough fuel to get back home is another matter, of course!
As for the follow-up comment about twins - well, I feel a cold shower coming on!
Holly_Copter.
Wasn't meant to be 'below the belt'. It's a video clip I've had kicking around for some time, and given the in-flight-refeullng comment I thought it might be interesting.
As far as I can tell from the video, the guy was flying well & stable after the incident.
...whether or not they had enough fuel to get back home is another matter, of course!
As for the follow-up comment about twins - well, I feel a cold shower coming on!
Holly_Copter.
Just beating the air into submission!
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From: UK
Hi, Ive come to this thread late and it seems to be getting away from the original thread however, it does have a modicum of comedy and enjoyment in it.
Presonally. both sides of the pond have there good and bad elements. Some of the most professional helicopter pilots I have met (and I have been flying rotary since 1984) have been Americans and just like us in the UK they have some complete buffoons who should not be let lose with a kids buggy (with or without a kid in it).
SASless, I kinda like you chap, you have one thing that 99% of all Americans do not have; the ability to banter. So start teaching the rest of your continent and the good ole USA will be an even better place.
Presonally. both sides of the pond have there good and bad elements. Some of the most professional helicopter pilots I have met (and I have been flying rotary since 1984) have been Americans and just like us in the UK they have some complete buffoons who should not be let lose with a kids buggy (with or without a kid in it).
SASless, I kinda like you chap, you have one thing that 99% of all Americans do not have; the ability to banter. So start teaching the rest of your continent and the good ole USA will be an even better place.
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Holly_copter, perhaps too strongly worded from my side. But I HATE seeing clips like that without knowing what happened to the crew..
still too good to waste. And as it's a helicopter he could always drop it somewhere and wait for the fuel truck to arrive.
still too good to waste. And as it's a helicopter he could always drop it somewhere and wait for the fuel truck to arrive.
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From: West Texas
HEY HeliAviator!
I take the utmost exception to those comments. The reason they took my buggy away was NOT because I am a buffoon. They said my talents were being wasted with the buggy and they’d be better served in another capacity. Sure 'nuf, two days later I was in a shiny white and blue helicopter winging my way across the southern US of A.
Wonder what ever happened to that buggy?
Oh, BTW. One of my all time favorite songs was inspired by a musician’s trip to England. Ya’ll may have heard it --- written by “Gary P. Nunn” ---
“London Homesick Blues”
*** Seriously, I’d like to see it at least once before I “earn my wings”. Heard some good things…
I take the utmost exception to those comments. The reason they took my buggy away was NOT because I am a buffoon. They said my talents were being wasted with the buggy and they’d be better served in another capacity. Sure 'nuf, two days later I was in a shiny white and blue helicopter winging my way across the southern US of A.
Wonder what ever happened to that buggy?
Oh, BTW. One of my all time favorite songs was inspired by a musician’s trip to England. Ya’ll may have heard it --- written by “Gary P. Nunn” ---
“London Homesick Blues”
*** Seriously, I’d like to see it at least once before I “earn my wings”. Heard some good things…
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From: UK
Twixt us and you
Tis' a very nice thread.
I would like to quote from Douglas Jerrold
"The best thing I know between France and England is the sea."
This also applies of course, but with more water, to us and the US. (Or to the US and us).
But the most apt quotation I can think of for US and us is by Frederick Marryat (l792-1848):-
"Every man paddle his own canoe."
I would like to quote from Douglas Jerrold
"The best thing I know between France and England is the sea."
This also applies of course, but with more water, to us and the US. (Or to the US and us).
But the most apt quotation I can think of for US and us is by Frederick Marryat (l792-1848):-
"Every man paddle his own canoe."
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From: no longer on the Pond
"Every man paddle his own canoe."
I couldn't have asked for a better opportunity to hop in than that comment!! How about the point of view from someone whose ancestors did not come from away? Thats right, from the Native point of view. I know this'll really get some gander up, but I just can't help myself.
The Brits came here to take the land by force. The "Americans" (now thats irony) fought the Brits to take the land and expand it substantially. The latter was the main reason for the Revolution, or War of Independance, whichever you prefer. The Crown had come up with the Royal Proclamation of 1763 forbidding any further westward expansion, due to the "depredations"(I'm being extrememly PC here) against the Native Peoples by the american frontiersmen. The Yanks didn't like that much, as of course, natives were considered to be less than human. And, of course, once the war started, Native warriors kicked serious colonial butt until such time as the glorious Crown beat feet back across the pond, leaving her Allies (but in English eyes certainly not equals) at the mercy of the so-called democratic US government.
In other words, for those of us here of a slightly darker complexion, historically speaking, there ain't no difference between either group. Both countries used and abused us, and Canada was rarely any different. Is it that way now? I would bet that if you asked the same question to 100 of us, you would get 100 very different answers. But I'll guarentee, if you've ever served beside any of us in the military, you'll not have met prouder men anywhere.
OOps, seems I have some issues I need to resolve. Now, where'd the wife put that damned hatchet...
I couldn't have asked for a better opportunity to hop in than that comment!! How about the point of view from someone whose ancestors did not come from away? Thats right, from the Native point of view. I know this'll really get some gander up, but I just can't help myself.
The Brits came here to take the land by force. The "Americans" (now thats irony) fought the Brits to take the land and expand it substantially. The latter was the main reason for the Revolution, or War of Independance, whichever you prefer. The Crown had come up with the Royal Proclamation of 1763 forbidding any further westward expansion, due to the "depredations"(I'm being extrememly PC here) against the Native Peoples by the american frontiersmen. The Yanks didn't like that much, as of course, natives were considered to be less than human. And, of course, once the war started, Native warriors kicked serious colonial butt until such time as the glorious Crown beat feet back across the pond, leaving her Allies (but in English eyes certainly not equals) at the mercy of the so-called democratic US government.
In other words, for those of us here of a slightly darker complexion, historically speaking, there ain't no difference between either group. Both countries used and abused us, and Canada was rarely any different. Is it that way now? I would bet that if you asked the same question to 100 of us, you would get 100 very different answers. But I'll guarentee, if you've ever served beside any of us in the military, you'll not have met prouder men anywhere.
OOps, seems I have some issues I need to resolve. Now, where'd the wife put that damned hatchet...
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From: UK
Apaches and Kiowas etc
Hey we have made it up to all of you by dedicating the names of our best and favourite helicopters to all of your best tribes. Sorry that we don't have a Ute yet....Maybe, yet, we'll have a Ute Jet...
Senis Semper Fidelis
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From: Lancashire U K
Not wishing to be insulting, but, I can now see why the French handed Paris over to the Germans in WW2, I have spent a little time there of late, and without doubt had it not been surrendered to the Jerries then it would have been pulverised, that would have been a great loss to all mankind.
On the other hand, their General DeGaul then wanted to enter Paris as the victor who had freed up his city and people, and sadly our politicians of the day and Eisenhower agreed to allow that to go ahead, many Americans and many Brits died, so that pompous ineffective and selfish General could make political muchness of the occassion, and if you look at the Middle East situation the French are still at it!!!
On the other hand, their General DeGaul then wanted to enter Paris as the victor who had freed up his city and people, and sadly our politicians of the day and Eisenhower agreed to allow that to go ahead, many Americans and many Brits died, so that pompous ineffective and selfish General could make political muchness of the occassion, and if you look at the Middle East situation the French are still at it!!!
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From: Just over there....no there.
Right thats enough!
I seem to remember that the "American" independace was revoked last year because they couldn't even elect a president properly. So you are STILL a British colony..is that clear.
The French don't like us because we ALWAYs beat them at war and when someone else has a go at them we always help them out of the s*** too.
Most things the "Americans" claim to have made or invented were either done by us or the Germans.
They can't speak proper English but still have the cheek to call it such.
The USA is in fact a lovely country and as a nation is still only just over 200 years old, a mere child compred to the rest of us, thats why they are so incesently loud all the time...children!
Please don't forget, the world is divided into two parts, Britain and the Colonies. Sorry to burst your bubble but thats it I'm afraid.
I seem to remember that the "American" independace was revoked last year because they couldn't even elect a president properly. So you are STILL a British colony..is that clear.
The French don't like us because we ALWAYs beat them at war and when someone else has a go at them we always help them out of the s*** too.
Most things the "Americans" claim to have made or invented were either done by us or the Germans.
They can't speak proper English but still have the cheek to call it such.
The USA is in fact a lovely country and as a nation is still only just over 200 years old, a mere child compred to the rest of us, thats why they are so incesently loud all the time...children!
Please don't forget, the world is divided into two parts, Britain and the Colonies. Sorry to burst your bubble but thats it I'm afraid.
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From: no longer on the Pond
AirToday, true enough, along with naming all types of ships etc. and tons of school mascots. Kinda sucks being a mascot though. The argument being that there is no such team as the New Jersey Jews or the Leemington Limeys, so why should there be the Atlanta Braves and worst of all, the Washington Red Skins!
vfrpilot: don't think anyone wants to think about the French in wartime. They invented running shoes, didn't they?
Rick: you must have just had a nice little vacation to Fantasy Island, eh?
vfrpilot: don't think anyone wants to think about the French in wartime. They invented running shoes, didn't they?
Rick: you must have just had a nice little vacation to Fantasy Island, eh?