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Old 19th Nov 2018, 09:43
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CALIFORNIA FIRES

Just wondering if some Ppruners are up to how the crews are doing in California.
How many duty hours are they doing? How many hours flown? How are they rostering to cope with fatigue? How many of them are night dropping and how are they handling duty hours and safety??
I guess thay are doing a job worth to know about ....
thanks in advance and fly safe
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 11:22
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Gordy who attends these parts would be an excellent source of information for you.....send him a PM.
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 20:00
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This one's worth watching all the way through




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Old 19th Nov 2018, 20:25
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Nice one!!!!!!
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Old 19th Nov 2018, 21:35
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Fantastic video, John. A lot of respect for those guys!
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 00:04
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Outstanding is correct!! Well done to all....
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Great work!
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Definitely Outstanding. 👍👍
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 04:25
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Great video and good job !
what aircraft are they flying ?
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Finely done.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 07:18
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Thumbs up

Well done guys, great job
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 07:45
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Great video and good job !
what aircraft are they flying ?
AW139

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Old 20th Nov 2018, 08:01
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I was on the Camp fire day 1, I have 4 of my aircraft on it now. No night drops, and fatigue is not an issue as we are down to 10 hour days due to lack of daylight---we normally do 14 hour days. Most days have been no fly days due to visibility anyway.

Command and control was a mess on day 1 & 2 as it moved so fast and then in came CHP and decided to freelance rescues with out talking to Air Attack supervisor....a lot of political wrangling going on.... More to follow....
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Wow, really nicely done.
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Waldorf and Statdtler moment -

No different to what we used to do more than 30 years ago!
More than likely with an old Jetbanger or AStar as well which would be more capable as at least you might be able to land in more places.

Can't remember blowing so much smoke up each other either - but hey that's progress or maybe a cultural thing!
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 09:18
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Great job and outstanding CRM !!!! Good to know about how it is going. Also would be great to share lessons learnt.
Thanks Jonh & Gordy
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Originally Posted by skadi View Post
AW139
Correct. Some more info and background here.

Completely agree with comment about excellent CRM. Good ground comms also.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 14:17
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The old question of Bucket or Belly Tank continues as both systems mature and improve.

Used to be Belly Tanks were used for brush fires and Buckets for Forest Fires.

Then....the Greeners in California who worry about some fish while the whole forest around them is burning down...got into the act.

Their worry....some fire retardant left in on the insides of the bucket might contaminate a bit of water!

Like the mud slides, ash, and fallen timber clogging the very same streams would not create a problem that far transcends any possible contamination done by a bucket.


https://www.helicoptersmagazine.com/...elly-tanks-111


Forest practices (or the lack of it )also plays a huge role in these fires.

Building Codes that allow for wood shingle roofing and brush/trees being left to grow right up against dwellings and other structures also causes a problem.

Of course....the Media and others shall invariably blame Climate Change for these calamities....rather than fairly discuss ALL the issues that are a factor.
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 14:35
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Maybe its an AW139 thing, wide-body, piss-poor utility visibility, and a couple of guys obviously out of their element in confined/unprepared sites. Compensated for by overactive, though productive, CRM. A single-pilot bush guy with an AStar would just have gone in, landed, and left, humming "the high and the mighty". Gordy has mentioned before it is somewhat a "kalifornia" thing with multiple government agencies with their own fleets (this one was LA County Fire - Air Ops) criss-crossing over each other, where out of state the fire is co-ordinated by gov/state, but helicopters are contracted experienced utility operators. You won't substitute experience with training. Was anybody else straining their eyes looking for guy wires?
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Old 20th Nov 2018, 15:54
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Originally Posted by malabo View Post
Maybe its an AW139 thing, wide-body, piss-poor utility visibility, and a couple of guys obviously out of their element in confined/unprepared sites. Compensated for by overactive, though productive, CRM. A single-pilot bush guy with an AStar would just have gone in, landed, and left, humming "the high and the mighty". Gordy has mentioned before it is somewhat a "kalifornia" thing with multiple government agencies with their own fleets (this one was LA County Fire - Air Ops) criss-crossing over each other, where out of state the fire is co-ordinated by gov/state, but helicopters are contracted experienced utility operators. You won't substitute experience with training. Was anybody else straining their eyes looking for guy wires?
I guess you're not a fan of the AW139, to each his own. For the record, the ship belongs to LAFD which is the City of Los Angeles FD. LA County FD has its own fleet, though I suppose that sort of reinforces your/Gordy's point on all the government operators on the Left Coast. And then there's CalFire.
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