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Old 3rd Feb 2024, 07:21
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7t TOM gets it right to a sea level platform... that's it. If it's not too warm.
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Now had they gone to an off the shelf UH--60L/M......interoperability bonuses, commonality of parts, compatible training.....but then the DOD has never let commonsense get in the way of buying things.
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I remember from some discussions about this a few years back that USAF felt that it didn't need a 19,000-22,000 pound helicopter for this mission. They wanted/needed a smaller one. So that's what they got.
(Do not disagree with your point on parts commonality, etc)
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When does the taxi service turn into a combat assault aircraft?

One of the missions is to transport Special Reaction Teams in the event of hostile attacks upon a missile site or related facility.

When the bullets start flying....I would much rather be in a Blackhawk than the AW-139.

Likewise....come crashworthiness and redundancy of systems...I bet the UH-60 is far more resilient than the 139.
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Likewise....come crashworthiness and redundancy of systems...I bet the UH-60 is far more resilient than the 139.
It may be, but I don’t think the 139 has any issues. There have been several crashes where it has demonstrated admirable crashworthiness. The Kenyan Police one comes to mind, but there have been others.
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FTU at Maxwell stood up

Maxwell AFB welcomes first active duty flying training unit since end of WW2 with the Detachment 3 of the 58th Special Operations Wing https://www.kirtland.af.mil/News/Art...it-since-1945/
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Hope they have plenty of hangar space!
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When does the taxi service turn into a combat assault aircraft?

One of the missions is to transport Special Reaction Teams in the event of hostile attacks upon a missile site or related facility.

When the bullets start flying....I would much rather be in a Blackhawk than the AW-139.

Likewise....come crashworthiness and redundancy of systems...I bet the UH-60 is far more resilient than the 139.
May want to explain that to those who spent taxpayers' money in converting UH-1Ns to UH-1Ys rather than getting "pret-a-porter" MH-60S, however in this case the 139 beat the '60 in just about every check mark of the requirements.
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Originally Posted by Phoinix
7t TOM gets it right to a sea level platform... that's it. If it's not too warm.
And the Air Farce initially pushed for 7,200Kg.
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Old 12th Feb 2024, 03:14
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Originally Posted by tottigol
May want to explain that to those who spent taxpayers' money in converting UH-1Ns to UH-1Ys rather than getting "pret-a-porter" MH-60S, however in this case the 139 beat the '60 in just about every check mark of the requirements.
Bell was originally to produce UH-1Ys by rebuilding UH-1Ns, but ultimately built them from scratch instead. In 2008, the UH-1Y entered service with the Marine Corps and also began full-rate production. The aircraft replaced the USMC's UH-1N Twin Huey[color=#202122] light utility helicopters, introduced in the early 1970s. The final UH-1Y was delivered in 2018.
Wasn't a conversion, in the end. (I had to look that up, though).
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Like to offer a clarification to this phrase quoted from Tottigol:

however in this case the 139 beat the '60 in just about every check mark of the requirements “

Not close in the Ballistic Survivability and Vulnerability and Crashworthiness areas. ( But I understand-its going to be an admin aircraft etc ).
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Wasn't a conversion, in the end. (I had to look that up, though).
The whole programme paid lip service to the expression ‘upgrade’ and I think the only components that stayed were the cockpit doors and nameplates! The key point was the funding and overall programme process was administered in a totally different manner to a tender for a new type, so was a quicker and more streamlined “purchase”, with fewer hurdles to jump over.
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The whole programme paid lip service to the expression ‘upgrade’ and I think the only components that stayed were the cockpit doors and nameplates! The key point was the funding and overall programme process was administered in a totally different manner to a tender for a new type, so was a quicker and more streamlined “purchase”, with fewer hurdles to jump over.
As was the F-18 E/F.
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Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50
As was the F-18 E/F.
of course. Why invent the wheel?
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This might document might be of interest.

It is a 2022 Acquisition Report for FY 2022 and discusses the 139 Program.

https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/D...R_DEC_2022.pdf
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Deliveries and Cuts

https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/y...-at-malmstrom/





https://www.airandspaceforces.com/us...-xifzyzNSq_sK6

so looks like JBA and Yokota won't get theirs

cheers
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Old 31st Mar 2024, 03:03
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The article says the prog of record has been revised. So the total # of H-139s isn't going to be 80-84 airframes, and now will be 30-36. Does this imply the UH-1N (64 copters) will sustain for more years than planned in a mixed fleet alongside the 139?
If so, the Ns will receive upgrades, the same way the Spanish Navy upgraded their N models a few years ago, and as the Canadian Army is upgrading their Bell 412s?
Or will the UH-1N be phased, and maybe the UH-72 or H145 fill up the rest of the fleet?
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