EC135 hard landing Chicago Area July 7

[jayteeto]

Pumpkin Balls
I can’t get the picture out of my mind

[ChopperFAN]

Originally Posted by Vertical Freedom

Incredible job by the Pilot, hats off....having also walked away from a successful landing after engine failure (350B2) myself at low level, crap weather, in a narrow valley with very few options for a safe landing plus with an added bonus of a cockpit totally filled with smoke IMC inside; I feel for this guy. at night.............YIKES

Seen your pics mate, you did mighty fine under circumstances. That valley and raging river, only just made the the tiny patch of green for touchdown

[megan]

that snippet of info would have been vital on the onset on your first statement

VF, I did say in the post, "ran for long enough to do what we wanted to do". I thought at the time of writing giving the circumstances would be too much of there I was at 40,000 feet etc bragado. Nevertheless, it's commentary on how we so often make judgement on these pages of incidents and accidents that befall others without having knowledge of the background and circumstances. A salutary lesson to be had I feel.

My intent was to reinforce Crab's,

you can't have a 'one-size fits all' approach to emergency handling...... there has to be some airmanship and discretion applied to suit the scenario you find yourself in

[AnFI]

recap please
please just remind me what the logic was behind the idea to carry two engines and how does this incident fit with that logic?

[Bomber ARIS]

It turns out that events were very much not as they first appeared.

The whole thing appears to have been self induced...

US HEMS EC135P1 Dual Engine Failure: 7 July 2018 - Aerossurance

[Non-PC Plod]

Goes to show - the strategy to save money by skimping on pilot training doesnt always work the way you intend...

[Flying Bull]

Originally Posted by Non-PC Plod

Goes to show - the strategy to save money by skimping on pilot training doesnt always work the way you intend...

If you want to save money by cutting on safety - calculate the costs of an accident.....

[gipsymagpie]

Yes the guy did it to himself, mostly due to poorly executed differences training (incidentally the same issue occurred on N601FH 12 years earlier). But why would you design a unguarded control in a cockpit which if inadvertently operated can destroy your engine AND which requires a sequence of control inputs to correct?

The emergency sequence just couldn't happen on a T variant. But later (505 onwards) T variants ended up with the pointless throttle guard that was the "fix" for the 2006 incident. Which of course wasnt fitted to N312SA and would have prevented the second event - go figure.

Originally Posted by Bomber ARIS

It turns out that events were very much not as they first appeared.

The whole thing appears to have been self induced...

US HEMS EC135P1 Dual Engine Failure: 7 July 2018 - Aerossurance

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Was the Boeing 737 -Max team on loan to EC when that mod was designed?