Private Helicopter
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Private Helicopter
Hi all. There is a private Helicopter owner flying around our neighbourhood from his own helipad on his property which is situated near a mix of housing and industrial buildings. There is a strip off clear land along a winding creek line, also bordered by large trees. If he took off along the creek line, he would definitely fly over houses before he reached a 1000 feet. I know that the min. height above built up areas is 1000 feet. I am asking Helicopter Pilots if it feasible for a helicopter to lift off and ascend to 1000 feet vertically and then fly off. Reverse for landing on every time the Helicopter is flown? Any advice appreciated. I am not against him flying his Helicopter, good on him, but he must follow the rules.
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It may be possible at lighter weights to ascend vertically to 1000ft but vertical ascents involve a considerably higher risk than the normal takeoff technique you are witnessing. It sounds as if your neighbour is doing is what most single engine aircraft pilots do when possible, that is takeoff keeping suitable landing areas in close range as long as possible. Best thing would be to go & talk to him/ her about it, most pilots are happy to talk about what they do & why they do it.
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From: In my Swag
Hi all. There is a private Helicopter owner flying around our neighbourhood from his own helipad on his property which is situated near a mix of housing and industrial buildings. There is a strip off clear land along a winding creek line, also bordered by large trees. If he took off along the creek line, he would definitely fly over houses before he reached a 1000 feet. I know that the min. height above built up areas is 1000 feet. I am asking Helicopter Pilots if it feasible for a helicopter to lift off and ascend to 1000 feet vertically and then fly off. Reverse for landing on every time the Helicopter is flown? Any advice appreciated. I am not against him flying his Helicopter, good on him, but he must follow the rules.
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Forward speed is a helicopter’s friend almost as much as it is for a fixed wing. If he were to take-off vertically he’d be putting himself right into “dead man’s curve” territory where he has neither enough forward speed or height to recover from an engine failure. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hvcurve.png
If you’ve ever been anywhere near an airport you’d know that houses get legally overflown below 1000’ all the time.
If you’ve ever been anywhere near an airport you’d know that houses get legally overflown below 1000’ all the time.
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A brand new poster, jumping on here to complain about a helicopter, and looking for reasons to get him shut down?
Nasty person, don't give him any more ammunition, GA is tough enough without our own kind making it worse.
Nasty person, don't give him any more ammunition, GA is tough enough without our own kind making it worse.
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Well thanks for the answers to my questions and as for Ascend Charlie, it is not that I want him to stop his flying, just for him to go and do it properly at an airport which is nearby. I think he will or is already getting complaints from residents to local and government authorities about his take off and landings. This person is a bit of a "noise" in the community and thinks they can do what they want. It is a Robinson R22. Other than that, thanks everybody.
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Hi all. There is a private Helicopter owner flying around our neighbourhood from his own helipad on his property which is situated near a mix of housing and industrial buildings. There is a strip off clear land along a winding creek line, also bordered by large trees. If he took off along the creek line, he would definitely fly over houses before he reached a 1000 feet. I know that the min. height above built up areas is 1000 feet. I am asking Helicopter Pilots if it feasible for a helicopter to lift off and ascend to 1000 feet vertically and then fly off. Reverse for landing on every time the Helicopter is flown? Any advice appreciated. I am not against him flying his Helicopter, good on him, but he must follow the rules.
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Well thanks for the answers to my questions and as for Ascend Charlie, it is not that I want him to stop his flying, just for him to go and do it properly at an airport which is nearby. I think he will or is already getting complaints from residents to local and government authorities about his take off and landings. This person is a bit of a "noise" in the community and thinks they can do what they want. It is a Robinson R22. Other than that, thanks everybody.
Good luck, I had a NIMBY try to stop me once, he didn't get much response from the authorities.
Please advise what locality you are in so that supporters can put an opposing viewpoint to yours.
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Well thanks for the answers to my questions and as for Ascend Charlie, it is not that I want him to stop his flying, just for him to go and do it properly at an airport which is nearby. I think he will or is already getting complaints from residents to local and government authorities about his take off and landings. This person is a bit of a "noise" in the community and thinks they can do what they want. It is a Robinson R22. Other than that, thanks everybody.
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Well thanks for the answers to my questions and as for Ascend Charlie, it is not that I want him to stop his flying, just for him to go and do it properly at an airport which is nearby. I think he will or is already getting complaints from residents to local and government authorities about his take off and landings. This person is a bit of a "noise" in the community and thinks they can do what they want. It is a Robinson R22. Other than that, thanks everybody.
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From: Gold Coast, Australia
Hi all. There is a private Helicopter owner flying around our neighbourhood from his own helipad on his property which is situated near a mix of housing and industrial buildings. There is a strip off clear land along a winding creek line, also bordered by large trees. If he took off along the creek line, he would definitely fly over houses before he reached a 1000 feet. I know that the min. height above built up areas is 1000 feet. I am asking Helicopter Pilots if it feasible for a helicopter to lift off and ascend to 1000 feet vertically and then fly off. Reverse for landing on every time the Helicopter is flown? Any advice appreciated. I am not against him flying his Helicopter, good on him, but he must follow the rules.
Especially an R22; it is not only not feasible to lift vertically to 1,000ft (which is a limit not required during take off and landing) but downright dangerous to descend vertically from such a height. One of the main reasons for using a helicopter is to NOT have to use an airfield and a runway.
If you are not against him flying a helicopter (your words) and he is following the rules then you would by default be supporting his operation
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There was a private pilot who lived on a large property up in Dural, north of Sydney, where he had a big nursery business. He bought a helicopter and built a helipad to CASA sizes, and started to fly in and out of his property.
One neighbour, perhaps it was Lockwood, complained bitterly to council, only one person complaining continuously, and got him shut down. The main reason, though, was that the pilot also drove a Rolls-Royce past the neighbour's house, and it was insane jealousy that magnified the noise impact in his head.
Bloody NIMBYs. Wouldn't complain about the garbage trucks at 4am ("Oh, that is an essential service") or a pack of Hells Angels roaring around his block ("they might kill me") but when a helicopter flies past, it is seen as the jetskis of the skies and must be removed. There is a dill who bought a house backing onto the Sunshine Coast Airport, and is now the driving force behind any noise restrictions at that place. The house with the blue roof, behind the airport-built big block wall, half-way down Rwy 18. The one who stops helicopters from using the runway at night.
Even using an airport doesn't stop the complaints.
So, Mr/Ms Lockwood, this is a Professional Pilots' website. Perhaps you are a pilot? If so, why are you complaining about a fellow pilot? If not, get off the site.
One neighbour, perhaps it was Lockwood, complained bitterly to council, only one person complaining continuously, and got him shut down. The main reason, though, was that the pilot also drove a Rolls-Royce past the neighbour's house, and it was insane jealousy that magnified the noise impact in his head.
Bloody NIMBYs. Wouldn't complain about the garbage trucks at 4am ("Oh, that is an essential service") or a pack of Hells Angels roaring around his block ("they might kill me") but when a helicopter flies past, it is seen as the jetskis of the skies and must be removed. There is a dill who bought a house backing onto the Sunshine Coast Airport, and is now the driving force behind any noise restrictions at that place. The house with the blue roof, behind the airport-built big block wall, half-way down Rwy 18. The one who stops helicopters from using the runway at night.
Even using an airport doesn't stop the complaints.
So, Mr/Ms Lockwood, this is a Professional Pilots' website. Perhaps you are a pilot? If so, why are you complaining about a fellow pilot? If not, get off the site.
Last edited by Ascend Charlie; 21st May 2018 at 05:25. Reason: wrong runway
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other than a reference to being under 18 and needing mommy and daddy to help sign you up, there isn't anything specifying who can join or cannot join. So get off your high horse and chill for ***** sake. The "professional" part is a rather loose term around here anyways.
So, to be a good chap and keep from being butt hurt, you should follow this below...
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From: Brantisvogan
Minimum height requirements tend to exclude the take off and landing phase.. Regulators will have their own requirements that define what a suitable LZ is and any necessary precautions.
Unfortunately It only takes one person to lay a complaint and usually based on little else than ignorance, neurosis or envy.
Unfortunately It only takes one person to lay a complaint and usually based on little else than ignorance, neurosis or envy.
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arent you just a dick sometimes yourself....
Stop feeding this troll information, which then might be used in a submission to council somewhere.
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I know of 3 helipads on the Gold Coast hinterland that were shut down by the local council, not by CASA. In each case it was noise complaints that were the issue, one person complained the helicopter was upsetting his breeding camels!