The good, the bad and the ugly training thread
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The good, the bad and the ugly training thread
Once upon the time you sign the training contract with good nice
small ATO using modern composite trainer.
Than out of nowhere big operator buy off that ATO,
while majority of good people leaving and you are still in hope,
that the things are not going on the bad heading.
When you ask the regulator to perform their primary task by reporting,
regarding quality and safety,
things may become ugly.
EASA file AR.EU-EASA-2018-000030
When you hear about next midair crash in training, remember that
one of above big&bad and one of ugly®ulator are already involved.
Within recent number of tragic incidents in row, over EASA lands....
small ATO using modern composite trainer.
Than out of nowhere big operator buy off that ATO,
while majority of good people leaving and you are still in hope,
that the things are not going on the bad heading.
When you ask the regulator to perform their primary task by reporting,
regarding quality and safety,
things may become ugly.
EASA file AR.EU-EASA-2018-000030
When you hear about next midair crash in training, remember that
one of above big&bad and one of ugly®ulator are already involved.
Within recent number of tragic incidents in row, over EASA lands....
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If you want to tell us something, you need to be clear what you are talking about, otherwise there is no point! If there is a warning to make, you will have to be specific.
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I am talking about problem when regulator is trying to cover up (quality&safety)
problems under ATO owned by one of leading operators under EASA,
but present WW too.
EASA is working on that, but in the mean time better be careful than sorry.
For average PPRUNE-r it is not difficult to identify the trainer (we love the type),
operator(un-famous about falling from the sky) and regulator. (supposed to do all by the book, but that is just fairy tale)
problems under ATO owned by one of leading operators under EASA,
but present WW too.
EASA is working on that, but in the mean time better be careful than sorry.
For average PPRUNE-r it is not difficult to identify the trainer (we love the type),
operator(un-famous about falling from the sky) and regulator. (supposed to do all by the book, but that is just fairy tale)
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Ah, I was expecting... such kind approach.
Unfortunately not.
But regulator from your location may have been
during that particular ATO authorization.
Unfortunately not.
But regulator from your location may have been
during that particular ATO authorization.
9Aplus - if it is that important - and you clearly think it is - name names
9Aplus,
As much as you would like to hint at an apparently serious issue with a European ATO, nothing you have said actually makes sense and does not lead anyone to help you. Even the EASA reference you give is not decipherable to us Europeans!
If it is as serious as you think, you need to give some detail to your problem, without names dates or places if possible.
As much as you would like to hint at an apparently serious issue with a European ATO, nothing you have said actually makes sense and does not lead anyone to help you. Even the EASA reference you give is not decipherable to us Europeans!
If it is as serious as you think, you need to give some detail to your problem, without names dates or places if possible.
When you ask the regulator to perform their primary task by reporting,
regarding quality and safety,
things may become ugly.
EASA file AR.EU-EASA-2018-000030
When you hear about next midair crash in training, remember that
one of above big&bad and one of ugly®ulator are already involved.
Within recent number of tragic incidents in row, over EASA lands....
regarding quality and safety,
things may become ugly.
EASA file AR.EU-EASA-2018-000030
When you hear about next midair crash in training, remember that
one of above big&bad and one of ugly®ulator are already involved.
Within recent number of tragic incidents in row, over EASA lands....
9A+, you're speaking in riddles!
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LBA & EASA are on the move....
regarding possible findings and corrective measures.
In the mean time, please be warned,
about possible serious ATO quality and safety issues.
That's all folks, for now, till some official reports.
Cheers by 9A+
EASA European Safety Promotion Network Rotorcraft (ESPN-R) member
in real faith that, this words and graphs here bellow are not just for show up->
@HeliHenri tnx, you know well that type is my preferable trainer
regarding possible findings and corrective measures.
In the mean time, please be warned,
about possible serious ATO quality and safety issues.
That's all folks, for now, till some official reports.
Cheers by 9A+
EASA European Safety Promotion Network Rotorcraft (ESPN-R) member
in real faith that, this words and graphs here bellow are not just for show up->
@HeliHenri tnx, you know well that type is my preferable trainer
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No, he is saying that you are insinuating, instead of just telling us clearly what on earth you are talking about.
If you have something important to say, then say it, instead of hinting and skirting round the subject enigmatically!
If you have something important to say, then say it, instead of hinting and skirting round the subject enigmatically!
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True... / about first 
/
But only ATO may be sued after LBA and EASA are done with them.
Till then, please keep above information like small contribution in general safety
of training. Hope you are able to understand at last that :P
/But only ATO may be sued after LBA and EASA are done with them.
Till then, please keep above information like small contribution in general safety
of training. Hope you are able to understand at last that :P
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To sum it up (all rumours of course):
Heli Aviation was a good running ATO in the south of Germany, training on Cabri G2 (composite heli). It was a fast growing (too fast some would say) company with some interesting contracts in Africa and some other countries in the world.
Then Babcock moved in and (after purchasing the company) found out that their new baby wasn’t all that shiny as it looked like when they first bought it. Allegedly they found some discrepancies in technical documentation as well as in all of the other departments.
Rumours say that they had to close down the flight school for a period of time to straighten things out and reported the findings to EASA/LBA.
But maybe it was EASA/LBA who found out themselves as one would imagine that they audited the company due to the change in ownership. Who knows?
But all this took already place in 2016. So A9plus, what took you so long?
Heli Aviation was a good running ATO in the south of Germany, training on Cabri G2 (composite heli). It was a fast growing (too fast some would say) company with some interesting contracts in Africa and some other countries in the world.
Then Babcock moved in and (after purchasing the company) found out that their new baby wasn’t all that shiny as it looked like when they first bought it. Allegedly they found some discrepancies in technical documentation as well as in all of the other departments.
Rumours say that they had to close down the flight school for a period of time to straighten things out and reported the findings to EASA/LBA.
But maybe it was EASA/LBA who found out themselves as one would imagine that they audited the company due to the change in ownership. Who knows?
But all this took already place in 2016. So A9plus, what took you so long?