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Old 8th Apr 2017, 21:20
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Well done those people.
Thanks.
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 15:20
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Originally Posted by Red5ive View Post
Also
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...rmen-1.3042247

Strange that the Navy don't have many small ships to help out, like the HMS Ranger that was docked in Cork.
If HMS Ranger is in Cork I presume she's on a courtesy visit? That's one thing but to have a Royal Navy ship take part in a Coast Guard operation in Irish waters and be under the overall command of an Irish warship would probably require a load of diplomatic wrangling they didn't have time for. I'm sure the Ranger's crew would have been more than willing.
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 16:45
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Red5ive & BookwormPete
check marine traffic for HMS Ranger - now making her approach to Dublin currently off Bray Co. Wicklow. I think the reference to her was an example of small type Naval Craft
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 20:56
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Originally Posted by helicrazi View Post
Unless I missed it, no one has mentioned jackets inflating upon immersion, only a light illuminating and PLB's activating?
In addition to a water activated PLB (Becker unit comes to mind). Here is a self activating AIS beacon for the vest; of course NOT activating till vest is inflated manually. Does the Irish SAR Aircraft have the SAAB AIS receiver like the UK SAR S92?


http://info.mcmurdogroup.com/rs/boat...udy%202014.pdf
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Old 9th Apr 2017, 23:18
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Originally Posted by BookwormPete View Post
... would probably require a load of diplomatic wrangling they didn't have time for0 ...
On the other hand, it's SAR, and as Albert reminded us in post 63, "SAR is international". UK SAR aircraft use Blacksod too.
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 00:34
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Sadly.....it is a Recovery Operation now.
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 14:55
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UK SAR aircraft use Blacksod too.
Does that still happen/has it happened under the new contract? Now the Irish CG have the same range as UK SAR (and the same aircraft) is there a need for UK assets to go across to W of Ireland or does it become a function of whose SRR the job is in?
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 17:06
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I'm not aware of specific jobs in the last couple of years but then they didn't exactly happen every week!



(Reports show there have been one long distance Atlantic job for each of Stornoway and Newquay since 2015 but a lot further north and south so they do not have a Irish stop as an option.)

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Old 10th Apr 2017, 17:58
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Just noticed Granuaile left Blackrock and headed to Galway.

A couple of days ago it was said they planned anther 72 hrs more with the ROV at Blackrock. Must have about done that.
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 23:23
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An extensive search around Blackrock Island off the Co Mayo coast has concluded without finding any trace of two missing Coast Guard crew members.
https://www.rte.ie/news/connacht/201...40-rescue-116/

Coast guard scales down search for Rescue 116 crew
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...crew-1.3044058

Must be so hard on the families.
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Old 10th Apr 2017, 23:50
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Search for missing crew of Rescue 116

The Air Accident Investigation Unit and An Garda Síochána in conjunction with Coast Guard have expressed their sincere appreciation to the Commissioners of Irish Lights (CIL) and Marine Institute who were supported by GSI (Geological Survey Office), for the extensive search conducted in the vicinity of Black Rock lighthouse following the tragic loss of Coast Guard helicopter Rescue 116 on March 14.

The search operation conducted by the Marine Institute's Holland 1 ROV concluded this afternoon when the Granuaile departed Blacksod Bay.

Supt. Tony Healy confirmed that the Garda water unit would conduct diving searches in the vicinity of Blackrock Light as soon as wind and tidal conditions are considered suitable.

He also confirmed that he had requested Coast Guard and Civil Defence volunteers to continue with targeted searches of coastal areas and monitoring of specific areas of interest.

Gerard O'Flynn from the Coast Guard thanked all the statutory and voluntary organisations for their unstinting support over the past four weeks, paying special thanks to Coast Guard, RNLI and Civil Defence volunteers and Defence Forces assets including naval divers, ships and Air Corps. He added that the operation highlighted the value of inter-agency cooperation in meeting challenges of this type.

The Coast Guard also wishes to remind all mariners to keep a good lookout for any material associated with Rescue 116 and to report any findings to Malin Head Coast Guard Coordination Centre.

AGS, AAIU and IRCG reiterated their sympathy to the families of Dara Fitzpatrick, Mark Duffy, Paul Ormsby and Ciaran Smith and expressed the hope that with the extensive monitoring both at sea and on shore that the remains of Paul and Ciaran would be found.
10/04/2017 - Search for missing crew of Rescue 116 | AAIU.ie
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 00:11
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Have they stopped retreival of the wreckage from around Blackrock as well?
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 01:18
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Originally Posted by cncpc View Post
Have they stopped retreival of the wreckage from around Blackrock as well?
Looks like it. Granuaile gone and its the only vessel they were using to lift wreckage, but they said they will bring it back if necessary.

The ROV will probably then go back to the Celtic Explorer. They charge €6k a day for it.
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 01:45
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Preliminary accident investigation report

Now that the recovery effort seems to have reached a point where it is winding down except for more targeted searches that will happen when needed, the investigators' preliminary report would seem to be the next milestone that will occur. Is there a legal requirement to produce a preliminary report within 30 days or is that just a guideline? I had expected some outcome from the CVR analysis by now.
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 11:32
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The Sligo and Shannon aircraft cover the west of Ireland for SAR.Very occasionally you will get UK military helicopters heading out to the Atlantic for "no reason" and stopping by Sligo, Shannon, or Blacksod for fuel. Have not seen it in quite a while though. The Sligo helicopter was called out to a grid reference a good number of years ago to do "nothing really". Was the most interesting job that year iirc. Those "no reasons" really are massive when they surface.



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Originally Posted by [email protected] View Post
Does that still happen/has it happened under the new contract? Now the Irish CG have the same range as UK SAR (and the same aircraft) is there a need for UK assets to go across to W of Ireland or does it become a function of whose SRR the job is in?
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 17:43
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The sooner the AAIU publish something about this the better. The SAR (and wider aviation) community need to know how a modern, fully-serviceable helicopter complete with a highly experienced crew ended up at the bottom of the sea. The fact that the rearcrew are still missing is not only heartbreaking for the families but something from which lessons need to be learned quickly. My gut feeling is that this wasn't straightforward human error but a systemic failure with multiple contributory factors (as is often the case).
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 18:00
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Originally Posted by llamaman View Post
The sooner the AAIU publish something about this the better. The SAR (and wider aviation) community need to know how a modern, fully-serviceable helicopter complete with a highly experienced crew ended up at the bottom of the sea. The fact that the rearcrew are still missing is not only heartbreaking for the families but something from which lessons need to be learned quickly. My gut feeling is that this wasn't straightforward human error but a systemic failure with multiple contributory factors (as is often the case).
Well stated. Particularly in regard to systemic failure and the need to know now what is surely privately known within the system that has failed.
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 18:31
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Originally Posted by llamaman View Post
... need to know how a modern, fully-serviceable helicopter complete with a highly experienced crew ended up at the bottom of the sea ... this wasn't straightforward human error but a systemic failure with multiple contributory factors (as is often the case).
All well said, apologies for cutting the specific quotes out.

One of the purposes of the systems approach is to prevent, as much as is reasonably possible, a simple human error becoming catastrophic. Somewhere in the details, when published, will be some crucial lessons to learn and maybe some assumptions that need to be re-assessed.
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 21:27
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Originally Posted by llamaman View Post
The sooner the AAIU publish something about this the better. The SAR (and wider aviation) community need to know how a modern, fully-serviceable helicopter complete with a highly experienced crew ended up at the bottom of the sea. The fact that the rearcrew are still missing is not only heartbreaking for the families but something from which lessons need to be learned quickly. My gut feeling is that this wasn't straightforward human error but a systemic failure with multiple contributory factors (as is often the case).
Well writing could not have made it better, there are many questions that have to be answered from all angles, and the fact the rear crew are still missing this is not acceptable and it is not fair for the famillies, they need closure.
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Old 11th Apr 2017, 22:03
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Life is not fair....the Sea is a very unforgiving place.

Yes, Closure is good and it tragic the families and friends of the two lost Missing Crewmen are having to go through this but One must be realistic. There has been a tremendous amount of searching going on in a very inhospitable environment.

Fishermen, Sailors, and others who venture out all understand the risks and odds of this happening.

The Accident Report will be written in time and the story will be told.

As for the Missing Crewmembers....there is always hope no matter how slight that they will be found and the family achieve some closure in that regard.
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