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Old 26th Apr 2017, 21:44
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Well, the Annual Report for 2015/16 has finally been published.
http://www.npas.police.uk/sites/npas..._2015_2016.pdf

Just a few random observations:
The number of compliance staff has been increased to 3
Wonder if that was written before or after the Compliance Manager quit?

The final revenue position for NPAS at the end of the 2015/16 financial year was that NPAS had delivered early savings of 2.1m in moving towards the full implementation of the new operating model.
In total NPAS spent 39m in 2015/16, up from 36m in 2014/15.
Does one not contradict the other? Plus, 39M his pretty much what the individual Forces spent on Air Support in their year prior to joining NPAS. No mention of any savings related to the forecast savings of 15M.

The numbers working for NPAS have remained consistent over the year, with a slight increase from 340.5 to 345.6
How can you have a fraction of the number of staff?

Of the 14 police staff leavers, seven were pilots, of these, 6 were resignations
Wonder why. Always thought it was a great job.

Pilots are required by the CAA to cease flying as single pilots at the age of 60. Over the next four years 28 pilots will be at that point in their service. It had been hoped that the legislation might change but that does not look likely over the 4 year period and NPAS are commencing planning for such a large turnover of experienced pilots, although 3 leave in the first year and 4 in the second.
So, 14 pilots leaving in years 3 and 4. Problems ahead, I think.

Doncaster Airport will base the new NPAS fixed wing fleet of aircraft.
A strategic asset then, rather than a quick reaction one.

The build process is due to start July 2016 with a completion date of 31st March 2017.
Is it finished? Any FW there yet?

Wonder when the 2016/17 Report will be published?
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 08:41
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Originally Posted by MightyGem View Post
39M his pretty much what the individual Forces spent on Air Support in their year prior to joining NPAS.
MG - Can you remind me what the actual figure was that all forces spent on air support prior to NPAS? And can you also remind me how much NPAS said they would save per year when all forces joined? Also how many air assets were available to the police services in England and Wales before NPAS and now? I genuinely can't remember, the years are catching up with me.

I noted that key achievements for 2015/16 have included the closure of four additional bases and that in 2014/15 the management team numbered 9 and in 2015/16 it was 13. Just observations.

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Old 29th Apr 2017, 12:47
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Is it finished? Any FW there yet?
Didn't look like the hangar was finished last week when I flew over.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 21:18
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Well well well. No bugger rings for them anymore as they know that the job will be over before they get there. When they do turn out the job is mostly over before they get there. Pilots leaving, costs increasing. I read just this morning about the Manchester airframe going to Hull for a job!!!!!

Someone needs to end this madness sooner rather than later.

Yes it's an expensive tool, but when used properly it is very effective. Transiting 20 minutes or whatever is not effective.

We used to be able to get anywhere within our 600 square miles well within 7 minutes (to the furthest point) and we had a fixed wing to compliment it!

Sad times indeed.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 22:00
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TFC,

They will end it when they have proved (!) that police aviation doesn't work and is therefore a waste of money that can be dispensed with. Think of the savings! Think of the careers that will boost. It will have gone full circle.

Build a business case that shows that money can be saved by the use of aviation. Make it work. Then build another case to show how it can be improved while saving money. Then show that it is ineffective at any price and destroy it.

A complete farce.
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Old 29th Apr 2017, 22:04
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MG - Can you remind me what the actual figure was that all forces spent on air support prior to NPAS? And can you also remind me how much NPAS said they would save per year when all forces joined? Also how many air assets were available to the police services in England and Wales before NPAS and now? I genuinely can't remember, the years are catching up with me.
Max, all my figures are based on the 36 Forces that were part of NPAS back in 2014. I asked them what was their total budget for Air Support for the last Financial Year prior to them joining NPAS. The total for those 36 Forces was 36.1M

At the time, there were(I think) 31 helicopters, with the Met operating 3 and Thames Valley 2(from different bases). I think there are now 15 bases with 18 aircraft(the Met still have 3). I heard at a social gathering(AKA as a retirement piss-up)the other night, that there is an "eight base" model and also talk of "super bases" with more than one aircraft.

NPAS were saying that they would be saving upto 15M a year here:
Benefits of NPAS | NPAS

Well, the "upto" bit is right.
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 12:12
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http://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/597...-sex-tape.html

What the hell next? Is NPAS just left with the dregs now- it being such a small force?
Have they replaced the safety officer yet?
Is that eejit still running it?
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Old 19th Jul 2017, 20:32
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What the hell next?

Apparently air displays over Oxfordshire with the RAF and air ambo's. #ThreatRiskHarm
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Old 20th Jul 2017, 19:45
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Listen cartefully and you may be able to hear the popping of corks and the chink of glasses coming from Up North.

After months of silence it seems that Specialist Aviation Services [PAS/MAS] hav bought up the majority of the remaining ex-NPAS MD902s including G-BXZK, G-CMBS, G-GMPX, G-SUSX, G-SYPS & G-YPOL. Change of ownership on these all went through on July 17 and 18.

And the price paid for six 1M helicoptersthat have been hanging around for months?
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 08:21
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Good luck to them - they're going to need it. What in the name of faith are they going to do with 6 obsolete helo's?
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Strip for spares.
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 21:58
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Use them for spares?
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Old 21st Jul 2017, 23:25
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Make one serviceable airframe perhaps. Along with the LincsNotts, EssexHerts and KSS HEMS machines there's a whole fleet of role kitted serviceable cheap airframes potentially to sell. If only London hadn't squandered an amount they're sercretive and unwilling to disclose on an unsuitable airframe in a far off land that required much more work to make serviceable they could have got a few years out of one of these for much less or even saved for a H135 as should have been the plan.
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Old 25th Jul 2017, 12:02
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Whats the latest with that wild child who owned MD (Lyn Tilton?)
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Old 25th Jul 2017, 16:41
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The Tilton Dy-nasty

This week is the Airborne Law Enforcement bash in Reno, Nevada.

There may be things to learn that might explain a little about where the Explorer neuvelle may be interms of a future but she is not likely to turn up in person [insufficient adoring crowds] so it depends on what her staff have been instructed to say.

Most likely scenario suggests that the only display machine will be an MD530 variant.
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Old 14th Aug 2017, 18:32
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Nothing new from MD on the Explorer NEW but as you will have picked up elsewhere MD have ditched their armed 540F variant in favour of sticking to the existing 530 products and an as yet undefined development of the MD600 without NOTAR.

Six months on from the HAI Heli-Expo launch of this project there is nothing new. Simply a paint job. The conversion from [space marginal] HEMS to Law Enforcement is simply paint the words on the side and hang a few turrets in the 'corners' regardless of the likely C of G issues. This is probably as far away as the 540F was.... if not further.

On other matters I am still looking for the elusive NPAS fixed wing. Nothing yet registered in the UK [G-POLX?] and no signs of OE-FAH the Austrian version locally either.
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Old 10th Sep 2017, 12:29
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FYI

http://www.eppingforestdc.gov.uk/news/?cat=270

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Old 10th Sep 2017, 13:28
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A fixed wing based a N Weald: No runway lights, no IFR approach.

Novel.
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A fixed wing based a N Weald: No runway lights, no IFR approach.

Novel.
YOU Sir are a negative ninny......and a mind reader! Kudos
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They have to get the OK first..... and if they get the helicopters in that would be a start that never happened at other bases. Estree, East Midlands, Northolt..... and do not forget the daddy of them all.... foggy RAF Colerne....

They seem to constantly select locations with a pin and wonder why the research [that should have been done before the announcement] tends to deflect them...

I suspect the fixed wing is wish list as is 20,000 movements. It gives wiggle room and may stave off a later change in mind by EFDC.

If they get a yes they can pay for the ILS etc down the line ....... it might be cheap compared to the ongoing cost of making the 30-years old P68 fully IFR. Most police and ambulance units had to have relatively simple IL systems fitted over the years so its is just a bigger version of that.
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