UK NPAS - The Decline
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I guess that the pink ring apparently centred on 'Downtown Leicester' is representing the fixed wing dream...... 2017 dreams anyway..... that needs to track NE somewhat .... not sure about the blue error though unless its that London appears to be centred on Elstree...... not a very popular idea with the local residents I understand..... so Lippitts reigns still.
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Great bit of PR for NPAS on "Cuffs" tonight! Somebody has done their research!!
Why does Humberside not show on the map? Pretty sure the 902 was there when I drove past a few weeks ago.
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Latest update on base locations, from the horses mouth, as at now 
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NPAS Bases Interactive Map | NPAS
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Latest updates and news can be found here;
News | NPAS
Latest in ref to bases;
The National Police Air Service has confirmed plans to move to a 15-base model | NPAS
News | NPAS
Latest in ref to bases;
The National Police Air Service has confirmed plans to move to a 15-base model | NPAS
The 15 bases are as follows,
Newcastle
Wakefield
Barton
Hawarden
East Midlands Airport (2 bases - one for fixed wing aircraft, one for rotary aircraft) - (subject to contract negotiations)
Birmingham
Boreham
Elstree (subject to contract negotiations)
Benson
Filton
St Athan
Redhill
Bournemouth
Exeter
The following bases will be closed in the financial year 2015/2016
Rhuddlan - closes 15 September 2015
Halfpenny Green - closes 1 January 2016
Pembrey - closes 1 January 2016
Ripley - closes 31 January 2016
Sheffield - closes 1 February 2016
The following bases will close in the financial year 2016/2017
Durham Tees Valley
Warton
Wattisham
Husbands Bosworth
Lippitts Hill (subject to contract negotiations)
The 15 bases will be divided into four different regions
Newcastle
Wakefield
Barton
Hawarden
East Midlands Airport (2 bases - one for fixed wing aircraft, one for rotary aircraft) - (subject to contract negotiations)
Birmingham
Boreham
Elstree (subject to contract negotiations)
Benson
Filton
St Athan
Redhill
Bournemouth
Exeter
The following bases will be closed in the financial year 2015/2016
Rhuddlan - closes 15 September 2015
Halfpenny Green - closes 1 January 2016
Pembrey - closes 1 January 2016
Ripley - closes 31 January 2016
Sheffield - closes 1 February 2016
The following bases will close in the financial year 2016/2017
Durham Tees Valley
Warton
Wattisham
Husbands Bosworth
Lippitts Hill (subject to contract negotiations)
The 15 bases will be divided into four different regions
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Humberside haven't joined the party yet.
So, as Humberside isn't mentioned at all in the stay open/close list, will it go to 16 bases if/when they join, or will they close immediately on joining?
If they know that they close straight away, then why would they want to join?
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I thought I was supposed to be behind the curve.....FortyOdd .... and I thought that I was over the hill at SixtyOdd.....
So which 'Silly Billy' still thinks that East Midlands Airport is still going to be any sort of base! That 'Not here mate' is as old as the hills..... I read it somewhere.....
Three word location of which only one is pertinent..... the last one. Airport.
Thats why I queried the big circle on Leicester and suggested which way you should shove it! [Subject to contract].
What seems to be coming out of the plans for NPAS is plain simple human intransigence. Crews not wanting to be messed about and walking off into the sunset [or back on the beat] and at least two cases of locals not wanting to be woken at 3am by some police aircraft waking them up. East Midlands said no and [if my source is correct] so did the locals of Elstree. The human factor is clearly modifying the organisation for all the wrong reasons.
I guess we can only assume that a base is closed AFTER it is closed and the aircraft has gone because even the death of Dyfed-Powys seems to have a strange afterlife assigned to it as the unit will still be available for refuelling beyond closure..... A refuelling stop on the way to where I wonder?
Maybe they just have a supply of Avgas in the tanks there they simply could not sell on?
Still no signs that Humberside will similarly linger..... it seems all the left over bills are being left to Humberside Police to cough up and there is no residual value to put into the NPAS coffers! Quite the contrary.
So which 'Silly Billy' still thinks that East Midlands Airport is still going to be any sort of base! That 'Not here mate' is as old as the hills..... I read it somewhere.....
Three word location of which only one is pertinent..... the last one. Airport.
Thats why I queried the big circle on Leicester and suggested which way you should shove it! [Subject to contract].
What seems to be coming out of the plans for NPAS is plain simple human intransigence. Crews not wanting to be messed about and walking off into the sunset [or back on the beat] and at least two cases of locals not wanting to be woken at 3am by some police aircraft waking them up. East Midlands said no and [if my source is correct] so did the locals of Elstree. The human factor is clearly modifying the organisation for all the wrong reasons.
I guess we can only assume that a base is closed AFTER it is closed and the aircraft has gone because even the death of Dyfed-Powys seems to have a strange afterlife assigned to it as the unit will still be available for refuelling beyond closure..... A refuelling stop on the way to where I wonder?
Maybe they just have a supply of Avgas in the tanks there they simply could not sell on?
Still no signs that Humberside will similarly linger..... it seems all the left over bills are being left to Humberside Police to cough up and there is no residual value to put into the NPAS coffers! Quite the contrary.
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Just tried to get the number of shifts that crews were down to a single TFO, or grounded due to a lack of a pilot, over the last twelve months, via FOI to West Yorks.
Too difficult, came the reply. They'd have to ask each Base for their figures and that would exceed the 20 hours work for a FOI question.
I was very surprised that this info is not collated by NPAS direct from their daily reports from Bases.
Too difficult, came the reply. They'd have to ask each Base for their figures and that would exceed the 20 hours work for a FOI question.
I was very surprised that this info is not collated by NPAS direct from their daily reports from Bases.
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Or this information is not to be made public. Some analyst will have a file with "unofficial" stats stashed away for when and if the boss ever needs to know the real situation. By not keeping official figures, you have plausible deniability when the brown stuff hits the fan.
A phone call to each base to email their duty sheets for the last twelve months would take an hour or two. Wait for the files to be sent - they will all be on computer, but it might take a day or two to receive them all. Convert the files so they are compatible with each other and stick them all in a spreadsheet, perhaps four to eight hours work depending on how polished you want the final report to look.
So a days work for one person, although it will probably take three days or more to actually collect all the data. So technically, yes, it will take more than 20 hours in total from initiating the request. You could also add in the time spent by every person involved at any stage of processing this request. It is amazing how the hours build up. Police officers are experts at stretching hours when there's overtime to be had.
Easy to hide from FOI requests when you know how.
Or this information is not to be made public. Some analyst will have a file with "unofficial" stats stashed away for when and if the boss ever needs to know the real situation. By not keeping official figures, you have plausible deniability when the brown stuff hits the fan.
A phone call to each base to email their duty sheets for the last twelve months would take an hour or two. Wait for the files to be sent - they will all be on computer, but it might take a day or two to receive them all. Convert the files so they are compatible with each other and stick them all in a spreadsheet, perhaps four to eight hours work depending on how polished you want the final report to look.
So a days work for one person, although it will probably take three days or more to actually collect all the data. So technically, yes, it will take more than 20 hours in total from initiating the request. You could also add in the time spent by every person involved at any stage of processing this request. It is amazing how the hours build up. Police officers are experts at stretching hours when there's overtime to be had.
Easy to hide from FOI requests when you know how.
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A phone call to each base to email their duty sheets for the last twelve months would take an hour or two
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That is what SQL is for, custom database queries. Seems like all the old database experts have been thrown out with the bathwater then. Would have taken me 10-15 minutes to knock up something that worked way back when.
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Do you have any idea what you are trying to prove by this constant sniping, undermining and toxicity that you peddle on this forum, using you supposed position of knowledge borne from experience? If you have an end goal that is achievable, realistic and an improvement on the current situation within the budgetary restraints as dictated by the Government that was democratically elected then please let us all know so that we may be able to help but for the moment I shall steal a quote from another.....(I know my literary limitations)
Betrayal is common for men with no conscience.
All I see at the moment is NPAS = Red Mist
SL
Betrayal is common for men with no conscience.
All I see at the moment is NPAS = Red Mist
SL